WISH LIST - Cakewalk Sonar - Fix Delete Hole Please (or implement Ripple Edit)

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It would seem that Ripple editing is such a complex feature to implement that it's taking longer than expected.

I think it was only announced about 6 months ago. The Sonar membership program with rolling updates has only been going for 2 years.

Stupid question,  what is ripple editing?   I see it talked about,  but I haven't been able to figure out what it means. 

husker
Stupid question,  what is ripple editing?   I see it talked about,  but I haven't been able to figure out what it means. 

Here's a post with a link to a 10 minute video that explains what it is and how it works in another DAW: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3428051.  The entire thread that contains the post is about Ripple Editing.
 
Hope this helps,
-- Ron

FWIW Delete Hole does work with audio projects. It's MIDI tracks that get screwed up if a note extends over where a split is occurring. The workaround is to split MIDI notes at region boundaries manually.
 
The beauty of implementing ripple editing is it would not only fix delete hole, but also allow "slide over to make room" to work consistently, which has the same issue with MIDI notes. However as I've pointed out before, you have to be careful to turn off ripple editing when you don't want clips other than the ones you're working on affected. I've really messed up some Vegas projects by forgetting to turn it off after doing an edit.

Anderton
FWIW Delete Hole does work with audio projects. It's MIDI tracks that get screwed up if a note extends over where a split is occurring. The workaround is to split MIDI notes at region boundaries manually.
 
The beauty of implementing ripple editing is it would not only fix delete hole, but also allow "slide over to make room" to work consistently, which has the same issue with MIDI notes. However as I've pointed out before, you have to be careful to turn off ripple editing when you don't want clips other than the ones you're working on affected. I've really messed up some Vegas projects by forgetting to turn it off after doing an edit.

 
The same thing has happened to me, mainly if I am tired after a long day.

mudgel
Of course it would benefit me immensely. However, complaining on a forum won't make it happen any faster. I'm sure if it was ready Cakewalk would release it.

They already announced that the delete hole issue would be fixed by implementing Ripple editing. When it's ready it's ready. In the meantime I'm making music.

Regarding 6 months ago, point taken and noted.
 
Regarding complaining, that is not my intent. Just trying to raise awareness that this bug still exists.
I've sent in a couple of bug reports to let them know. Did it right when I came across it.
My goal with this post was to bring this issue back to the forefront of their minds. They have so many new features and bug fixes since Kensington, but have not seemed to address this issue. They say it is because "Ripple Edit" is coming soon. Meanwhile, all the new cool layouts, screens, etc. get the lion's share of attention on these forums when they are changed or buggy. Then some fix comes out with the new release for the "squeaky wheels."
 
I'm just trying to champion this fix by becoming a "squeaky wheel" again.
 
Again, workarounds are really not an option due to the speed with which I need to work on long form voice over projects. If there is empty space between audio clips, I need to close the gap between them, and move on.
...and I think others would benefit, just not sure how many.
 
Thanks for all your comments.

Are you sure Delete Hole doesn't work for audio projects? I use it without problems...mostly soundtracks with lots of tracks, and narration with one or two tracks. Maybe I'm avoiding some use case that makes it not work?

I'm hoping that we can edit multiple tracks as if we were editing the stereo mix down file.

If I cut a section and paste insert it elsewhere in the stereo file, then what I hear played back should sound like when I edit the multitrack file (within reason, taking into account that effects or long MIDI notes that overlap the edit area might differ slightly).

Basically as I described here in the ideas forum:
http://bakery.cakewalk.co...ting-a-stereo-wav-file

I've made a couple of videos to illustrate my dilemma more fully:
1) Sonar 2016.12 (Delete Hole Not working)
https://youtu.be/1kTh0CyS4PI
2) Sonar Kingston (Delete Hole Working)
https://youtu.be/93ZhJCX0wR8
Hopefully, this makes it clear as to exactly what I'm talking about.
Please refrain from posting workaround suggestions.
If there is a setting that will correct this in the most current version, then please post it.
 
(I tried to embed the videos, with no luck. Apologies.)

Anderton
Are you sure Delete Hole doesn't work for audio projects? I use it without problems...mostly soundtracks with lots of tracks, and narration with one or two tracks. Maybe I'm avoiding some use case that makes it not work?

In my experience delete hole does not work correctly with audio either. If there is no data on a particular track in a selected range, any clips after the deleted range on that track are not moved.

mettelus
It seems to only make sense that the deselection occurs prior to the delete hole function.

Certainly that is what is happening, but I don't think it makes much sense. It worked correctly (for audio at least) in the Kingston release. Hopefully it will again when ripple editing is introduced.

Thanks mettelus. Hopefully, this can help the programmers. Maybe all they have to do is move a line of code. Who knows?

mettelus
As mentioned above, data being present in the "hole" for audio seems to be required. This is similar to the thread quoted in the OP with the comments about SONAR deselecting tracks which have no data in them prior to processing the delete hole algorithm. In the first video posted, you will notice that track 3 is deselected when you process delete hole. It seems to only make sense that the deselection occurs prior to the delete hole function.
In the second video, you will notice that Track 3 remains selected.