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2017/06/01 00:43:41 (permalink)

WIld Mountain Thyme

The song is Wild Mountain Thyme.
 
The target venue is at a wedding reception played through a typical DJ PA system.  I don't know the make, model or configuration of the PA system that will be used.  I'm assuming it will be 2 channel stereo.  The performance context is that the tune will be played for the father/daughter dance (the father wanted to record the tune he would dance to with his daughter).  So the venue will be "respectfully quiet".
 
I'm looking for critiques and comments on the mix.
 
Thanks in advance,
Paul

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/04 22:35:07 (permalink)
This is a very smooth sound -- the instruments are well blended and the mix is terrific.  Perhaps the vocal harmonies could be better balanced in that the main vocal overpowered the harmony in places. Well done -- surprised you haven't gotten more listens here but then...
 
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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/04 23:40:38 (permalink)
Thanks for your kind words and suggestion.
 
Your observation is coincident with the client.  He had also indicated that there was indeed some minor balancing of the lead and background vocals in a few areas.
 
Thanks once again,
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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/05 04:04:02 (permalink)
Yes, I agree about the background vocals.  May I suggest cutting back on the reverb too.  Reason being, I'm thinking this will be played in some sort of hall.  The hall is going to add a lot of natural reverb.  Also, there is a pretty good pop at 2:59 (on purple) you may want to fix.  Other than that it is very, very, nice mix.  I listened on my studio monitors. 

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/05 23:29:38 (permalink)
jmasno5:
 
Thanks for your kind comments.  Good point on the reverb and I'll see what I can do about the 'pop'.
 
Very much appreciate the feedback,
Paul

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/06 01:01:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jmasno5 2017/06/06 03:45:05
I agree with the smooth sound and good mix comments. I might suggest you make certain you also have a good mono mix just in case it's a mono PA. I did do a quick mono check and it seemed ok. If I were you I'd make sure.

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/06 04:07:09 (permalink)
Sixfinger:
 
That's a great idea.  I definitely will be providing a "mono" rendering.
 
Thanks for your comments and suggestions,
Paul

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/06 18:10:48 (permalink)
Sounds good here but I agree with what has been said already, thanks for sharing.

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/07 03:48:42 (permalink)
Wookie:
 
Thanks for your feedback.  Much appreciated.
 
To all:  I've discussed with the client everyone's suggestions so far.  Here's what we agreed to do:
  • Remove the "pop" on the word "purple" just around 3:00 on the lead vocal track.
  • Remove two "ticks" on the lead vocal track on the last two vocal stanzas due to clips that were split on non-zero crossings.
  • "Re-master" to get rid of unexpected/unexplainable dropout at beginning of song.
The "re-master" seemed to bring the background vocals out in the mix due to using the new Cakewalk Adaptive Limiter on the vocal bus and master bus.  As such we decided to leave the balance of the background vocals where they were.  (The client also was hesitant to change the balance on the lead and background vocals or reverb since we had previously taken quite a bit of time to get them sounding like he wanted.)
 
You can find this version at: https://soundcloud.com/backwoodsthoroughfare/wild-mountain-thyme
 
Thanks to all who took the time to listen and comment/critique.  I'm really gratified that you took the time,
Paul

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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/07 04:55:58 (permalink)
I got to listen to the second mix. This is one of my favorite songs and I play it at gigs. Your version does it justice. Smooth mix, lovely pennywhistle/flute part as well.
 
However, at around :41 and again at 2:46 a kind of rich baritone voice is added, which brought in my opinion a kind of parody quality with it. Let me guess - nothing you can do about that, right?  Hopefully that's just my observation and everyone else thinks it's OK.
 
I'd like the woman's vocal a little louder. She has a nice voice from what I can hear.
 
thanks for bringing this great song up!
 
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Re: WIld Mountain Thyme 2017/06/08 01:11:08 (permalink)
Tom:
 
Thanks for your observations.
 
The significant "Irish Tenor" in the background in the choruses is intentional.  The client wanted to convey a source of ancestral "highland" power being the essence of care and compassion which is represented by the vocals in that part of the song. 
 
In hindsight, it probably would be less "ambiguous" if one or more of the vocals had a "highland" style as well.
 
However, I do appreciate your comments regarding the "Irish Tenor" as the client wanted the "Irish Tenor" to be significant but not overpowering.  As such, I have it spread wide across the stereo spectrum (using the Channel Tools plugin) with significant reverb (Sonitus Reverb) to make it sound like it's ethereal and distant.  I used an exciter (HF Exciter) and EQ (LP EQ) to ensure that it cut through the mix even though it was in the background and on the edge of the stereo spectrum.
 
Incidentally, the "penny whistle", flutes and bass were tracked using (believe it or not) the SONAR provided Virtual Controller/Keyboard as input to Rapture Pro using SONAR provided patches.  The parts were simple enough to be able to use the Virtual Controller/Keyboard to lay down the tracks.  They were only supposed to be "example parts", but we were pleasantly surprised by how they turned out so we used them as they were recorded.
 
Thanks again for your comments.  Much appreciated,
Paul
 

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