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Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
I am actually making music using SONAR X2 Producer Edition and I mainly compose Epic Orchestral Scores (like we hear in movies). Since I currently own a FocusRite audio interface (or sound card), I want to buy a good set of studio stereo speakers in order to get a great sound quality, with a flat response (I do not want bass-boosted or treble-boosted speakers. I am searching for a crystal clear sound) and that would fit well in my room. I heard about M-Audio monitors as well as Adam monitors (It can be anything, I'm just suggesting!). As a classical-trained musician I would prefer wooden-styled monitors (like the M-Audio m3-8 ) but still performance and quality matter more to me. Any recommendations? Feel free to share your opinions! Thank you very much everyone!! P.S: my budget is around 500$. It's not a lot, but for a college student this is the most I can currently afford.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 04:30:38
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For best possible quality within that budget I'd look for a second hand pair.
For 500$/pair there are quite nice ones new as well, but surely nothing you could seriously call studio-quality for orchestral music. For "great" sound quality 500$ a piece is hardly enough.
I don't have knowledge/experience enough to recommend something for orchestral music, but in general for example Adam and Genelec are trusted brands. The more knowledgeable forumites tell you more, I'm sure.
No matter how good speakers you'll find, your room acoustics must be in condition to get the best out of them. 1000$ speakers give 10$ results if the room sabotages the sound.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 05:30:55
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Bear in mind that personal preference plays a large part when choosing speakers. Something that one user recommends may sound awful to the next person. You need to spend as much time as possible listening before buying and eventually choose something that you can live with. If you find yourself focusing on the music and forgetting about the speakers, then maybe you have found the right ones for you.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 10:33:59
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honestly 500 wont get you very far as far as 'studio quality'
that term, 'studio quality', means different things to different people.
folks that own serious studios, will drop four thousand dollars on a set of monitors without blinking.
pros, 10 grand easy.
but if that's the budget, that's it.
do a lot of research.
i like the KRK line myself, yamaha makes good monitors, Jbl, maudio, Mackie.
if you can up it to about $750, you will have several really decent choices in that range..
but it almost does not matter WHAT you get, if you do not treat your room first.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 12:36:05
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On a budget, a lot people testify that the Equator D5 monitors are a great value. I think for budget monitors, I get good transferable results using the Mackie MR5mk2's.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 13:27:40
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Is everyone here a freaking spinal surgent? One can't just drop 2000$ in a set of monitors for their musical hobby!
Nah I'm just kidding, I just want to keep my bank account with no debts. I knew 500$ would not be enough but I want to get the very best of it. Here I got several pairs of monitors that would fit into my budget, but now I need your opinions about them.
-M Audio m3-8: really nice design. Around 600$ for a pair
-Adam F5: looks VERY good on paper. Around 500$ for a pair.
-Mackie MR8mk2: good reviews about it and clear design. Around 500$ for a pair.
So these are the three best monitors I found for the price. I also looked at the KRK line I just don't like them. I'll try to shop them in town to hear them and see what's more convenient to me.
Thanks for your replies guys! Carry on posting.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 13:37:24
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don't just look at prices.
or read reviews.
LISTEN
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 13:54:38
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batsbrew
don't just look at prices.
or read reviews.
LISTEN
that's what I wrote at the end of my post.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 14:07:46
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if you haven't heard the krk's yet, i was just wondering what you based your opinion on......?
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 14:36:28
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if you haven't heard the krk's yet, i was just wondering what you based your opinion on......?
It's alright friend, just chill out :P It is mostly because I don't like their design and many people do pop music with them. I saw really good reviews about them (for all kind of music styles) but having KRK Monitors in my room would be like wearing purple Converse shoes with a complete suit at work. It doesn't fit very well (esthetically speaking) but yes it would probably do the job. I don't think KRK design their yellow monitors for Orchestral work, get it? I may be tight on budget, and so on choices but I think I can still find some other interesting options :)
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 16:26:57
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i'm as chill as they come.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
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I totally love Classical and Jazz via my KRK VXT4's! Everyone I have sat in my mixing position to listen has been blown away by what is possible from such a small plastic speaker. Enclose them in a wood box with speaker cloth on the front if you must. I would recommend a fine hand rubbed bubinga or curly maple finish.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 17:15:48
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☄ Helpfulby alpha8768 2013/07/23 22:38:48
A good set of speakers will be genre-neutral by definition, so don't assume that a model that's popular with (knowledgeable) hip-hop or EDM producers won't be suitable for epic Wagnerian classical music.
I wouldn't go with the ADAM A5s, though. Great little speakers, but not full range. You'd need to add a subwoofer. I assume your epic productions contain taiko drums and contrabasses and concert bass drums and driving cello sections, and you'd like to hear them in all their glory.
Your best bet is something with an 8" woofer. Try eBay and Craigslist first, because unless a monitor has been abused (most haven't) there's no sonic compromise in buying used. You'll be looking at entry-level models and fortunately they are plentiful on the second-hand market, as most people eventually upgrade. With luck, you'll be able to score some older Mackies, Tannoys, Yamahas or even JBLs in your price range.
Don't be afraid to go with passive speakers, which many older monitors will be. Most people want active monitors nowadays, so passives are harder to sell, which could save you money.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 17:30:52
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I totally love Classical and Jazz via my KRK VXT4's! Everyone I have sat in my mixing position to listen has been blown away by what is possible from such a small plastic speaker. Enclose them in a wood box with speaker cloth on the front if you must. I would recommend a fine hand rubbed bubinga or curly maple finish.
Oh. This is a goooood idea. Thanks for the tip! bitflipper
A good set of speakers will be genre-neutral by definition, so don't assume that a model that's popular with (knowledgeable) hip-hop or EDM producers won't be suitable for epic Wagnerian classical music.
I wouldn't go with the ADAM A5s, though. Great little speakers, but not full range. You'd need to add a subwoofer. I assume your epic productions contain taiko drums and contrabasses and concert bass drums and driving cello sections, and you'd like to hear them in all their glory.
Your best bet is something with an 8" woofer. Try eBay and Craigslist first, because unless a monitor has been abused (most haven't) there's no sonic compromise in buying used. You'll be looking at entry-level models and fortunately they are plentiful on the second-hand market, as most people eventually upgrade. With luck, you'll be able to score some older Mackies, Tannoys, Yamahas or even JBLs in your price range.
Don't be afraid to go with passive speakers, which many older monitors will be. Most people want active monitors nowadays, so passives are harder to sell, which could save you money.
Okay so I'll try to look for 3-ways monitors (tweeter+speaker+subwoofer) because like you mentionned I use lots of taikos and dhols, paired with heavy basses and cellos. These are more expensive, but I heard about the Adam F5 which are "great" 500$ 3-ways monitors. Anyways, gotta hear them first a? P.S: If it's you on your profile picture, you are awesome.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 20:15:39
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I also own a fantastic pair of Mission 770's in walnut that I bought in the 80's. You might find a used set on eBay. They continue to serve me very well in my media room as mains. I don't have room for them in my studio/music room.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 22:30:00
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A good set of speakers will be genre-neutral by definition +1 Thus ends the lesson.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/23 22:30:00
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A good set of speakers will be genre-neutral by definition +1 Thus ends the lesson.
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Okay so I'll try to look for 3-ways monitors (tweeter+speaker+subwoofer) because like you mentionned I use lots of taikos and dhols, paired with heavy basses and cellos. These are more expensive, but I heard about the Adam F5 which are "great" 500$ 3-ways monitors. Anyways, gotta hear them first a? P.S: If it's you on your profile picture, you are awesome.No, that's not it. The monitors being 3-way is not the key thing. A subwoofer is a separate unit (third box in the system) designed for low range. If you want the lows to sound really well without a subwoofer you need monitors with 8" woofer, and in your price range there are none. Adam F5 is a two way speaker with 5" woofer. It's frequency range is 52 Hz-50 kHz, which is not bad, but a subwoofer goes down below 30 Hz (IIRC the lowest note of a bass guitar is 40 or 44 Hz) If you don't want to buy second hand you must settle with "proper" sound, "good" or "great" cost more. If you choose passive speakers, you obviously need an amplifier as well. And as mentioned already, treating your room is as important as the quality of the speakers. You can get decent results without sufficient low range in your monitors, if you check your mixes with good headphones and learn to use spectral analyzers and reference tracks. That does require a lot of trial and error and ear-training, though.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/24 09:01:39
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Okay so I'll try to look for 3-ways monitors (tweeter+speaker+subwoofer) because like you mentionned I use lots of taikos and dhols, paired with heavy basses and cellos. These are more expensive, but I heard about the Adam F5 which are "great" 500$ 3-ways monitors. Anyways, gotta hear them first a? P.S: If it's you on your profile picture, you are awesome.No, that's not it. The monitors being 3-way is not the key thing. A subwoofer is a separate unit (third box in the system) designed for low range. If you want the lows to sound really well without a subwoofer you need monitors with 8" woofer, and in your price range there are none. Adam F5 is a two way speaker with 5" woofer. It's frequency range is 52 Hz-50 kHz, which is not bad, but a subwoofer goes down below 30 Hz (IIRC the lowest note of a bass guitar is 40 or 44 Hz) If you don't want to buy second hand you must settle with "proper" sound, "good" or "great" cost more. If you choose passive speakers, you obviously need an amplifier as well. And as mentioned already, treating your room is as important as the quality of the speakers. You can get decent results without sufficient low range in your monitors, if you check your mixes with good headphones and learn to use spectral analyzers and reference tracks. That does require a lot of trial and error and ear-training, though. Thanks for the clarifications, I am a noob with monitors. For now I just can't afford a subwoofer but I think my brother got an Altec Lansing sub he doesn't use... Yes already got an amp so it can be either passive or active. I'm already sort of used to work with "Analysts" (like in sonar) to see if my mix is well-balanced, so this should not be much of a problem. Thanks for the input!
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
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☄ Helpfulby alpha8768 2013/07/24 09:49:11
C'mon folks - there are plenty of choices in the $500 dollar range. you can get a set of Yammy HS-80's at GC for $500 for a pair. The cones are white (no day-glo sneakers here), and they're well respected.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/24 09:53:50
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C'mon folks - there are plenty of choices in the $500 dollar range. you can get a set of Yammy HS-80's at GC for $500 for a pair. The cones are white (no day-glo sneakers here), and they're well respected.
Oh I do agree to this! I found plenty of "good" stuff on the market and people keep recommending me some 600$ monitors over some other 1000$ monitors. It's all about not being close-minded! It's like saying "any car under a Porsche is not worth looking for".
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2013/07/24 10:13:34
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Some rambling on....  Bitflipper had it right - good studio monitors are neutral - by definition. The reason for this is that a neutral speaker doesn't sweeten, gloss, or otherwise mask any imperfections in the source material. This does not mean the speakers are 'cheap', it's just that the speaker are made to be deliberately (and accurately) flat. They may look like bookshelf speakers, but they are not. The problem with non-monitor speakers is that they aren't necessarily flat, they sometime have all sorts of gimmicks to sweeten their sound, even so-called estoric, 'audiophile' speakers. If it sounds good on a studio monitor, it's gonna sound good on consumer speakers.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
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A good set of monitors is a long term investement. I still use a pair of yamaha monitors from the 70s as my home studio speakers. They were like $1000 back then - $2-3,000 today. So I would say go w/ the msp series. They are a step up from the HS series. The mps 7s should give you plenty of umph (technical term) as well as high end. Doing classical, you'll need the low end like a dance producer. I've used the 5 inchers as nearfields at pro studios and they work well. The 7s go for $7-800 on sale. A bit more than your price, but until you have a lot more money to spend, they will last as a full-range montitoring system.
The other great thing about buying and keeping good monitors is that you learn them. No speaker is flat and all have anomolies. You learn them and find out how they respond over different systems and environments - home bookshelve, car, computer speakers. Buying good speakers to start with is one of the best investments you can make.
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A good set of monitors is a long term investement. I still use a pair of yamaha monitors from the 70s as my home studio speakers. They were like $1000 back then - $2-3,000 today. So I would say go w/ the msp series. They are a step up from the HS series. The mps 7s should give you plenty of umph (technical term) as well as high end. Doing classical, you'll need the low end like a dance producer. I've used the 5 inchers as nearfields at pro studios and they work well. The 7s go for $7-800 on sale. A bit more than your price, but until you have a lot more money to spend, they will last as a full-range montitoring system.
The other great thing about buying and keeping good monitors is that you learn them. No speaker is flat and all have anomolies. You learn them and find out how they respond over different systems and environments - home bookshelve, car, computer speakers. Buying good speakers to start with is one of the best investments you can make.
One man's experience, anyway.
Well I looked at the MSP 5s (5 inches monitor would fit perfectly in my room) and people do really like them -and the best part: they're only 275$ each. Anyways, I plan to buy my monitors in store so I'll have to deal with what's on the floor (gotta hear before buying). Thanks for the input!
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...having KRK Monitors in my room would be like wearing purple Converse shoes with a complete suit at work. It doesn't fit very well (esthetically speaking)... Not necessarily. Don't rule out KRK just yet. The yellow cones are less prominent in real life than they appear in photos. The VXT range are a more subtle shade than the Rokit range. The Rokit-6 is also available in a grey alternative. VXT-6 has optional speaker grills. I agree with BretB about VXT's being well suited to classical and jazz. I wouldn't particularly recommend Rokits for classical, but try them anyway for comparison.
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Okay I've been in store today after work (only had time for one though) and the guy greatly recommended me some "RCF Ayra 5" monitors over some other KRK Rokit monitors, which I found not very impressive. But since there were to RXF in-store, I now have to gather feedback about them.
So has anyone here owned RCF monitors? What are peope saying about these?
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
2013/07/30 05:39:53
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I have a pair of JBL 4412 three way.
You can still find these on ebay within your budget.
Youll need an amp to drive them though.
Nearly all the hit records 20 years ago were mixed on these things.
My main nearfield monitors now are the SE Munro Eggs. Very pleased with these.
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☄ Helpfulby alpha8768 2013/07/31 12:52:15
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Okay I've been in store today after work (only had time for one though) and the guy greatly recommended me some "RCF Ayra 5" monitors over some other KRK Rokit monitors, which I found not very impressive. But since there were to RXF in-store, I now have to gather feedback about them.
So has anyone here owned RCF monitors? What are peope saying about these?
Never heard of them. But beware that music store staff are strongly encouraged (if not outright coerced) into recommending products with a high margin, or that are being promoted with other sales incentives. I always take any in-store recommendation with a grain of salt, as you are wisely doing. I did find this SoS review of them, though. Based on the specs given in that article, they look fairly wimpy.
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Re: Want to buy studio-quality monitors. Any recommandations?
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as many pros that use KRK's, i'm kind of baffled.
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