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Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Resolved

I need two Dimension Pro patches that sound like the keyboards used in the sound track titled "FindAWay.mp3" at
 
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There are two similar sounds that are most prevalent in the opening bars of the song.  One has a bell or chime, and the other is almost the same sound minus the chime but with a little more attack chuff in it.
 
I have the Dim Pro that comes with SONAR 8.5.2 and the two free expansion packs.  I will PayPal $20.00 to anyone that can provide me with the programs for both.  If that is not enough, I will negotiate.  The patches must be very close to the originals, in particular the transparent nature of the sound.  I have been working on this for hours, and can't quite get it, but I think it's in there somewhere.
 
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 00:19:18 (permalink)
    I only listened quickly on my netbook speakers (crappy) but it sure sounds like DX7-ish electric piano.   So see if you have anything that has that DX7 type patches.



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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 00:44:44 (permalink)
    Thanks Billy.  It is a surprisingly difficult sound to emulate.
     
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 00:53:26 (permalink)
    Poco


    Thanks Billy.  It is a surprisingly difficult sound to emulate.
     
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    Well, the DX7 was kind of special - and definitely had a sound to it.   But yeah, NI's FM7 and FM8 can probably get you that sound.  There are some other products out there that come somewhat close as well.   There might even be something close in DImPro if you really explore the wavs/soundsets.

    If you happen to have FL Studio - it might have some as well (for example Sytrus, and other FM type synth plugins).


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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 01:14:44 (permalink)
    It sound a bit like the Bellatix digital piano that comes with the free Kore 2 download from Native instruments. There are 8 sound variation settings from A to G.Some sounds like it is layered with an accoustic piano.http://www.native-instrum...oliday-selection-2009/
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 08:20:01 (permalink)
    i agree with ba_midi , it's definitely a DX7 "whitney houston"y patch :) 

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 09:04:22 (permalink)
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    Well, the DX7 was kind of special - and definitely had a sound to it.   But yeah, NI's FM7 and FM8 can probably get you that sound.
    FM8 has 'stringbells' which is in the ballpark. But it would probably need layers of one or two sound additions.
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 09:15:53 (permalink)
    Yeah this is a combination of 2 pianos. The bell one is a tine keyboard a la DX7 though my DX7  is an old version 1 and is noisy. Yamaha are the people for this sound as I spent years trying to emulate it on stage with my female singer exactly for Whitney power ballads. I used an old 77 note Yamaha electric piano which had a whooshy chorus setting. 

    Had a look around my collection and on the Korg legacy wavestation you could try:
    ROM 8 patch 26 X Roads
    ROM 11 patch 26 Tine Piano
    RON 7 patch 26 Vibe Roads
    These would work if combined with a standard piano.
    Both need a bright sparkling reverb but the tine piano needs eq ie boost top end a bit and cut the bass a bit.
    I expect lounge lizard would have a few patches but am not in the studio for a while to see.
    Hope this helps.

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 09:25:45 (permalink)
    I've got a dead DX7 you could buy. If you stare at it while playing a softpatch, it seems like it's working.

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 10:09:17 (permalink)
    Dim Pro has a program patch in the Electric Piano folder called "DX Tines" that's the fundamental sound you're hearing...Layer some strings in there and you should have the sound you're looking for...I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing the sound (I don't need the $20 and my fee would be substantially higher anyway ) but the basis is definitely the DX7 sound...I'm still not hearing the "chuff" that you reference...

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 10:23:25 (permalink)
    Thanks, Papa.  I have tried that, and can't quite get the depth or clarity that the original has.   The sounds I am using are the Tines DX, combined with the Chimes patch, and a very soft pad.  It's harder than it looks, though.  I guess that's why the good producer/players get payed what they do. 
     
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 10:24:38 (permalink)
    And besides there's someone on KVR who'll give $75 for a patch.
    And I think I've just earned it.
    Mind you, Gabrielle wasn't very pleased when I ripped it off her head.
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 10:33:55 (permalink)
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    Thanks, Papa.  I have tried that, and can't quite get the depth or clarity that the original has.   The sounds I am using are the Tines DX, combined with the Chimes patch, and a very soft pad.  It's harder than it looks, though.  I guess that's why the good producer/players get payed what they do. 
     
    George Duke comes to mind...

    Poco,
     
    I stated that is was the "fundamental sound"...Not that it was exact...You're going to have to tweak and experiment if you want an exact replica...

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 10:54:43 (permalink)
    Its definitely a DX7. The Dimension Pro patch "DX Tines" is pretty close. With a little tweaking and some chorus you can get very close to that sound. Sounds like there's some layered strings on it too.

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 11:09:21 (permalink)
    daveny5


    Its definitely a DX7. The Dimension Pro patch "DX Tines" is pretty close. With a little tweaking and some chorus you can get very close to that sound. Sounds like there's some layered strings on it too.


    *LOL* I've been stating that since his other thread was started...Odds are he's not going to get the "exact" sound because God only knows what preamps, DI's, etc., were used in recording that track...I don't understand his obsession with getting it "exact"...I'm open to hearing his reasoning but it's probably a futile effort...

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 11:47:20 (permalink)
    I think I will just focus on getting a sound that I like, even if it is not quite the same.  But....  I really do like THAT sound.
     
    Thanks, all.
     
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 14:22:49 (permalink)
    If you haven't already, you may want to try scooping out some of the low/mids.  This patch seems fairly heavy on the high end and not very "thick". 
     

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 14:55:53 (permalink)
    Hey Poco. How's this sound:
    http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8892497


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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 15:22:35 (permalink)
    timidi


    I've got a dead DX7 you could buy. If you stare at it while playing a softpatch, it seems like it's working.

    I'm sorry, but that was funny!

    Poco, I think the problem may be that you're going to be limited to the handful of DX7-type samples in Dim Pro. I have FM8, and while it might be easier to reproduce the sound there (assuming you knew FM synthesis--I don't, yet), that still wouldn't help you if you need it as a Dim Pro patch. I also think there's some L/A in here, too...like a DX7-type sound layered with a D-50-type sound.

    Are you making a backing track like this one? If so, I've recorded people singing to these backing tracks--which themselves are not even necessarily produced by the same musicians/instruments used on the "original" tracks--and no one's cared that the sounds weren't "exact". And by the time you blast this over the church's PA, all subtleties and nuances are lost, anyway. I'd get as close as I could, and blame any difference on the singer. (No, I don't know how you'd do that, but if you say it convincingly enough, people will believe you. I'm a consultant. That's what I do. )

    If you just want this patch because you like the sound (and yes, it is rather pleasing in its own way), then you're at the mercy of what Dim Pro and its stock/expansion patches offer. All we can really do in Dim Pro is adjust the EQ, resonance, and a few other filter-type effects to change the sound. Anything more requires different base samples. That said, "FG Bright Tip" and "DX Tines" seem like good starting points, though they're both just based upon the same sample.

    Good luck!

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 15:31:53 (permalink)
    Poco


    I think I will just focus on getting a sound that I like, even if it is not quite the same.  But....  I really do like THAT sound. 
       
    Poco
    Poco,
     
    You can get very close to that sound with the suggestions that have been made...I really like the "sound" of a lot of things, but I'm rarely ever able to exactly reproduce them...Sometimes something "magical" just occurs during a session...You're probably not ever going to achieve that exact sound with Dim Pro, regardless of how much layering you do...If you can't lay your hand on a DX7 then the closest you'll probably come is NI's FM8 or a Synclavier (which is so rare it should be on the endangered species list)...

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 16:21:54 (permalink)
    OK,

    I hear definately a DX7 here, BUT layered (attack) with a real piano. It "shines true (attack)" more clearly in some passages then in others.

    A third layer is also for shure a typical D 50 sound, a glassy pad (with a "whistling flavour" to it). I had a D 20 and I recall it to be a standard patch...

    Fourth layer: very soft "horn like" pad, like an oberheim prophet 6 "soft horns" patch. But then VERY soft.

    Hope this helps, haha

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 16:43:01 (permalink)
    Well, I have found a real DX7, so it looks like I will spend hours getting close to that sound, recording samples three semitones apart, and building a sfz sound bank (I found a neat-free sfz bank builder on the web).  I've done this with my Korg for GVI (Giga Virtual Instrument).  It's just a lot of work.
     
    Planet Earth,
     
    I want this sound for an album project I am doing.  My wife and I met in school on vocal scholarships, and this song has been in our repertoire for 25 years (mid 80's - hence that Whitney sound).  We are doing an album of our faves over the years.  Everything from Alison Krauss' Heaven's Bright Shore to a Norah Jones-esque tune (her Come Away sound) to Larry Norman's Outlaw to more modern Celtic sounds (kind of a contradiction - no?).  I am spending more time on this one than most of the projects I do. 
     
    Not to be too much of a downer, but I was diagnosed with leukemia last year, and this is my "farewell" project.   Both of our kids are musicians, and this will be a remembrance.  I want it to be good. 
     
    Best,
     
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 16:54:29 (permalink)
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    Hey Poco. How's this sound:
    http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8892497

    Tim,
     
    I can't get to it from work, but I will listen when I get home.  Thanks much.
     
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 17:47:50 (permalink)
    I hear a full-tines-like patch (perhaps with some bottom rolled off), a synth string patch layered behind it, then a slightly more tubular (tubular-bells) like lower part comes in (but not with the heavy 5th overtone like a tubular-bells patch has). They all sound DX/FM-ish to me as well. There seems to be a more natural piano sound going in and out of the mix under the bell-like tone, sometimes becoming dominant over the synth-bell sound. The synth string thing happens through most of the song. I remember some DX patches that were piano with string layered patches, which may be what I'm hearing.
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 18:23:10 (permalink)
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    Hey Poco. How's this sound:
    http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8892497

    That's very good, Tim.  What synth are you using?
     
    I am gpoing to try my hand at programming a DX7.  Hopefully, the orginal sound was made on one, and it won't be too hard.
     
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 19:32:20 (permalink)
    Did you try the Kore 2 download.  I still think it is closer than above.
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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 20:45:01 (permalink)
    What synth are you using?


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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 21:52:19 (permalink)
    I want this sound for an album project I am doing. My wife and I met in school on vocal scholarships, and this song has been in our repertoire for 25 years (mid 80's - hence that Whitney sound). We are doing an album of our faves over the years.


    That is so cool. I'd love to help if I could--and I'm sure most of the people here would, too. I'm still wondering how you're going to be able to reproduce this with Dim Pro and/or a DX7? I understand you've found a DX7 and you can make your own samples, but that will take a lot of work, and keep you from what you really want to do: produce this collection. (Besides, for all we know, it could have been a DX7-II, or TX-series module, which had slightly different filters and amps.) And as you can see, each of us here hears something slightly different in the sound. (Maybe if you posted a sample of the specific sound you wanted, we could be more helpful. There are a few keyboard parts in the song, and we may not even be talking about the same thing!)

    What if--and this is just a suggestion here--what if you "re-imagined" the song with different sounds or parts? It's still the same song you remember--the same melody, same words, same feelings...but with a different approach to it. I did that for my mom for her last Christmas with us. I recorded John Lennon's "Happy Christmas", her favorite Christmas song. I'm no John Lennon (as people like to remind me!), and I didn't have access to the guitars, bells and Harlem Childrens Choir, so I did it "my way". I knew if I tried to re-create the song, I'd fail, so I did what I could with what I had. She loved it--not just because it was her favorite song, but because I put some of "myself" into it.

    I'm not suggesting you do this because re-creating the sound would be too difficult. I'm merely offering a suggestion that you spend your talents and time in a way that gets you closer to what you ultimately want: something from you for your family. It's just a thought.

    I wish you the best of luck, and If there's any other way I can help, please just drop me a PM. I have FM8 and a Roland D-10, and while I could "layer" sounds to get something similar, I know it still wouldn't be "exact". But I don't mind trying....

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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/16 22:48:39 (permalink)
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    I need two Dimension Pro patches that sound like the keyboards used in the sound track titled "FindAWay.mp3" at
     
    http://www.mastersschoolarts.org/Songs/
     
    You may have to cut and paste this, as the website sometimes does not allow direct links to it.
     
    There are two similar sounds that are most prevalent in the opening bars of the song.  One has a bell or chime, and the other is almost the same sound minus the chime but with a little more attack chuff in it.
     
    I have the Dim Pro that comes with SONAR 8.5.2 and the two free expansion packs.  I will PayPal $20.00 to anyone that can provide me with the programs for both.  If that is not enough, I will negotiate.  The patches must be very close to the originals, in particular the transparent nature of the sound.  I have been working on this for hours, and can't quite get it, but I think it's in there somewhere.
     
    Thanks,
     
    Poco


    Hi Poco, 


    The original keyboard sound's somewhat closer to a Yamaha TX816 - which was essentially 8 X DX7 cards in a box (with at least two of the cards tuned an octave higher than the others). It was a default sound (patch 6). 
    So I would suggest the same as someone has previously & use two keyboards to try create the sound, possibly even three, starting with the DX7. 
    Have fun. 

    Oh, & I have a TX816... that's how I know.     



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    Re:Wanted - Dimension Pro patch - Will pay 2010/03/17 10:12:00 (permalink)
    Steve and all,

    Your suggestion is a good one.  I came up with a sound that fairly well catures the spirit of the orginal, and my wife, the keyboard player and "real" musician in our duet says she likes it.  As she put it, "if you didn't have the other one to compare it to, you wouldn't know the difference".  So I am going to get back to what I like doing: making music.  Sometimes, there's just too many choices for your own good, and you spend a lot of time trying them all, only to find that you had a good answer all along.

    Best wishes,

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