Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In

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Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In

I want some higher quality than usual (better than e.g. Yamaha XG etc) classical music sounds that I can access via a plug in from Sonar 8.5. I have tried MOTU Symphonic Instrument but I can't get it to see the VST plug in. Any suggestions for alternatives I could try?

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    strikinglyhandsome1
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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 11:15:53 (permalink)
    Why not try and sort out why you can't access the MOTU Vst plug-in? Have you looked for the .dll to see if it's placed in a folder that gets scanned during a Vst plug-in scan?
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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 11:26:41 (permalink)
    Yes I've tried everything, it's all in the right directory. I have raised calls with MOTU and Cakewalk. Given up.

    In fact I've just done some searches and people seem to be recommending 

    Garritan Pocket Orchestra
    Edirol HQ Orchestral  
    Miroslav Philarmonik


    what do you reckon is the best out of the above for a decent plugin using Sonar 8.5, Windows XP and EMU1616? Presumably Edirol because it's Roland?




    post edited by mindspace - 2011/11/10 11:32:30
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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 11:31:31 (permalink)
    +1 on the Miroslav Philarmonik!   I got it free when I bought ARC with the IK deal and have used the Philarmonik a lot more than I thought I would because it sounds so good.



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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 11:43:56 (permalink)
    look here:

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2407414

    Kirk Hunter's stuff is imo much better than GPO and Miroslav (I can judge as I have Kirk Hunter Ruby, which is a subset of Diamond, GPO and the Infinity Player version of the Miroslav Vitous orchestra lib, which uses the same sounds as Philharmonik).
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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 12:31:45 (permalink)
    I echo strikinglyhandsome's post. 

    what did cakewalk and MOTU support tell you?  what have you tried?

    dang dude - I certainly wouldn't spend nearly $300 on a softsynth and then just dump it for something else without exhausting ALL possibilities.

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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 12:54:09 (permalink)
    I'm getting a refund.

    Now , I have a demo version of Philharmonik installed and Cakewalk has recognised the plugin.

    How do I now proceed if I want to pick up the plug in with a midi track. Does the plug in only enhance a midi sound if you have recorded it onto an audio track, i.e is it just an effect or is it something that the midi can 'play through' instead of your midi tone generator (which is my case is an MU10).



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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 15:07:33 (permalink)
    Strings:
    EWQL Hollywood series
    LA Scoring Strings
    Vienna Symphonic Library
    Cinematic Strings
    Orchestral String Runs (lol, yes, a single library dedicated to runs) 
     
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    CineBrass
    ProjectSam Orchestra Brass Classic
    EWQL Hollywood series

    Woodwinds:
    Hollywoodwinds
    Sonic Implants Woodwinds Collection
    Vienna Symphonic Library

    ........... To name a few.


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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 15:26:03 (permalink)
    mindspace


    I'm getting a refund.

    Now , I have a demo version of Philharmonik installed and Cakewalk has recognised the plugin.

    How do I now proceed if I want to pick up the plug in with a midi track. Does the plug in only enhance a midi sound if you have recorded it onto an audio track, i.e is it just an effect or is it something that the midi can 'play through' instead of your midi tone generator (which is my case is an MU10).
    you need to learn about MIDI and softsynths.  in fact I would have advised that you do that before buying something expensive like MOTU or Philharmonik.  there are tutorials in sonar's help files which give you the basics on how to work with MIDI and softsynths using TTS-1 - which is a GM softsynth.
     
    if you already have a MIDI track then it's output needs to be set to the softsynth's output track.  this is covered in the tutorials as well. if you don't already have a MIDI track then you need to insert one first.  if you are trying to play a keyboard while listening to the softsynth then you have to have it set up for low latency.
     
    but to ask if you have a "MIDI sound...recorded to an audio track" doesn't make sense.
     
    MIDI is not sound at all.  it's just DATA that is used to trigger a synth - either hardware or software synth.  if you have recorded a hardware synth on an audio track then you cannot use a softsynth on that track - it's done.  if you want the sounds of the softsynth then you need to set the output of the MIDI track to the softsynth and then the output of the synth output track goes to the master bus/soundcard for you to hear what the MIDI is triggering.

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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/10 17:19:16 (permalink)
    Oh great Beagle.

    Now you've told him everything there is to know.

    Pretty soon he's gonna be a superstar nipping at your (post) heels.
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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/11 08:56:31 (permalink)
    My su****ion is that the MOTU would have worked too.  It looks like you are new to this and I'm guessing you missed something in the set up or in the plug in manager. No big deal.  Quite often in the setup screens that show up when you first install a new synth, there are options that let you choose HOW you want it to run.....stand alone or VST or both, and I've seen some other options there as well. If you've returned it and gotten something else, that's all water under the bridge now.  More then once I had to go hunting for the location(s) of the files and get the right one into the list, then scan it again..... scanning it after putting it in the plug in manager list is important. More then once.... in the early days I got it in the list, then forgot to re-scan the list.... 

    Clicking or not clicking the boxes tells it how you want it to run. It's possible that the VST box was left unchecked. 

    Also, when I first was getting started, the Plug in manager was a bit of a mystery and getting new FX and VSt's to show up was a bit of a challenge. 

    Finally, understanding the way midi worked was also a challenge. As Beagle pointed out, MIDI is not music, just data that represents the notes. You can take that data, and send it to any synth, and the synth takes the incoming data and uses it to trigger the notes using the samples or patch you have loaded into the synth. That can be a drum, a piano, a string section, ...whatever.... 

    Once you get the understanding of what it is and how to set it up, it tends to be very cool and useful. 

    My website has a small section on some basic midi stuff, that helps you understand using channels and setting up a synth to play different instruments in TTS ( a multi-timbral synth).  It's a good primer for understanding this stuff. Most people here, including myself do not use TTS, but choose instead to use single channel synths. 



    EDIT: why did cake replace letters in the word S U   S   P  I  C  I  O  N? 
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    Re:Wanted: Good quality Classical Instrument Sounds via Plug In 2011/11/11 13:46:47 (permalink)
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    My su****ion is that the MOTU would have worked too.  It looks like you are new to this and I'm
     
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    EDIT: why did cake replace letters in the word S U   S   P  I  C  I  O  N? 

     
    Because it's unsophisticated language filter doesn't like the letter sequence from the 2nd 'S' through the 'C'.


    post edited by gdugan - 2011/11/11 13:48:00
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