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Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
I remember the speculation around town at the time, but never gave it much credence. But I just watched a film on Netflix called "Soaked in Bleach" that makes a credible case that Cobain's death was a murder staged to look like suicide. There's no doubt that his widow was (is) one seriously-damaged human being, but it's a long leap from self-absorbed drunk to murderer. I was skeptical going into this documentary. She was out of town when it happened, so it would have had to have been contracted. But the evidence is pretty compelling that she orchestrated it. She was the one who hired the private investigator to "find" the missing Cobain, and told him she was worried that Kurt had been suicidal and that his credit card had just been stolen, both apparently untrue. She called in a missing-person report under the name of Kurt's mother, making it sound as though the mom also believed him to be suicidal and "had a shotgun". She claimed Kurt had three uncles who had committed suicide - also untrue. She claimed that he'd attempted suicide once before, another lie. It all sounds like an alibi/explanation in the making. The evidence is carefully and systematically laid out in the film, making the case that the police investigation was badly botched, that not one friend or family member thought Kurt was suicidal, that physical evidence contradicts the official scenario. Their own lawyer believed the suicide note was a forgery (agreed to by a handwriting expert and a forensic linguist), and knew that Kurt had just asked her to help him with a new will that Courtney was cut out of. A divorce was in progress that would have left Courtney with very little due to a prenuptial contract, but because he died before the divorce was finalized, she got hundreds of millions and continues to rake in money from royalties. No motive there. It would seem that the public and police were too quick to accept the suicide story. After all, everybody knows that rock stars only die one of two ways: drug overdoses and suicides.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 15:20:12
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I try not to think about it too much but the fact El Duce (of the Mentors) claims CL approached him to do the hit, declined and ended up dead on railway tracks... well that's messed up. (edit: but El Duce had his own issues so ending up on the tracks could very likely be unrelated even in Kurt conspiracy) Honestly the whole goddamned scene around Cobain sounds like a total freakshow. It would not surprise me if it was a hit but being the sensitive lad he was suicide makes just as much sense too if THOSE are the types of people around you. Now what REALLY freaks me out is the suspicious circumstances surrounding Jimi Hendrix' death. That weird manager/agent of his with CIA/mob ties and Jimi's increasing paranoia about him is... well messed up freakin' shiz. I will not elaborate but there are some very interesting documentaries about that crap.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 15:32:12
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Also... "Just because you're paranoid... don't mean they're not after you... *CRACK*" /oblig
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 16:33:21
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/11/21 17:06:25
bitflipper After all, everybody knows that rock stars only die one of two ways: drug overdoses and suicides.
... oh, and plane crashes.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 17:12:43
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/11/22 14:04:35
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bitflipper After all, everybody knows that rock stars only die one of two ways: drug overdoses and suicides.
... oh, and plane crashes.
And spontaneous combustion and bizarre gardening accidents.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 18:55:49
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dmbaer
bitflipper After all, everybody knows that rock stars only die one of two ways: drug overdoses and suicides.
... oh, and aircraft crashes.
Modified to include helicopters.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 20:24:34
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 20:31:25
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With Kurt/Courtney, it seems that murder is more believable than suicide. If she is guilty I really hope some detective hound dog gets on it. If she did it, his name needs to be cleared and she needs to pay. Is sad either way.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 21:18:44
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was my steak dinner murdered?
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/21 21:59:42
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batsbrew was my steak dinner murdered?
Hopefully!
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 01:21:13
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Never underestimate the evil contained in your spouse. Let me tell you about my ex.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 10:23:55
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Just imagine if John Lennon hadn't been murdered on a crowded NYC sidewalk in front of dozens of witnesses. Would we still be debating whether or not Yoko did it?
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 13:52:26
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I had a chance to watch this documentary this morning. A very compelling documentary. It is hard to believe it was 20-years ago that this occurred. Note that I am not, nor ever was, a Nirvana or Kurt Cobain fan, so I have been somewhat indifferent to his death since it occurred (I don't mean to sound insensitive; just stating the way it is). On the other hand, I always felt his wife to be rather crude (even before watching this film). At the very least, this film does show that the police work on his death possibly may have been rather sketchy, or its analysis incomplete. The 'suicide' determination apparently came very quickly after his discovery. For somebody of his fame you could argue that it might normally take longer to come to that conclusion. I am aware that in a lot of the investigative documentaries, one side or the other is usually biased in a documentary. I am sure I could be easily swayed towards the police 'suicide' determination if such a documentary existed also. But I will say this film was done really well and does bring up a lot of questions and doubts for sure. Assuming the facts in the film are all true and valid, I would think it merits a re-opening of the case and let an independent investigative team report their findings.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 14:34:07
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My trouble is that I have a habit of believing the last person I've listened to, if they make a compelling enough case.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 16:32:59
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sharke My trouble is that I have a habit of believing the last person I've listened to, if they make a compelling enough case.
Well, that convinces me!
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 18:35:13
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craigb
sharke My trouble is that I have a habit of believing the last person I've listened to, if they make a compelling enough case.
Well, that convinces me! 
I have no reason not to believe you!
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 21:48:24
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whoa- I will have to check this one out. Another guy who killed himself but others say "maybe not" was the late great Elliot Smith
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/22 22:37:18
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I thought everyone already knew that Kurt's death was faked after Elvis invited him to join the Illuminati.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 08:16:25
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Hi, This side of rock music (any art really! -- get serious!), is the part of it all (the fame) that turns me off. And it's not one does not find gold diggers out there, and some of them are not women! I can enjoy reading about groupies and such, and their experiences, but some of the rest of it all, is just way too much garbage for me. Guilty or not, she has to live with it ... and that part ... is worse than all the possible riches. And being laughed at for her own music on her band, doesn't help her credibility a whole lot. But, this is the life she chose and you and I have no right to sit here and judge and choose for her!
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 11:00:55
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I was never a Nirvana fan, either. I pretty much ignored the whole grunge phenomenon at the time. But here in Seattle, Cobain's death was a local news story you couldn't not listen to. There were hourly updates for days afterward. When the house was sold, that was a news item, too. When the neighbors complained about fans clogging the street, that made the evening news. Every wacky episode by Courtney got reported. Incredibly, her dreadful band got more gigs. It was only after his death that I came to appreciate that Kurt was very much the anti-rock star. He could have afforded a Southern California cliffside showplace, but he lived in a humble home on Lake Washington. He dressed like a bum, didn't even have a climate-controlled warehouse for his guitars like most successful rock stars. His only nod to stardom was the obligatory drug problem. Courtney is quite the opposite. Stays in the nicest hotels, spends a fortune on clothes, and has an unrealistically high opinion of herself. A thoroughly unlikable person, not someone you'd want for a neighbor or a bandmate. The possibility that she may have been complicit in murder and got away with it offends me the same way as OJ Simpson's smirking acquittal.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 11:54:51
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my steak lives on in infamy.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 13:41:14
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 15:53:21
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craigb

Meh... the most miserable of us tend to also experience the most (momentary) joy. I believe the headshrinkers refer to it as bi polar disorder (aka... manic depression). Still, I do have a hard time believing the suicide tale fully... but mostly I feel bad for little Bean being left with Haggo McSlag and the throngs of media looky loos. I will give Courtney some credit though. She (or someone) seems to have kept Bean relatively separated from the limelight.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 15:59:17
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batsbrew my steak lives on in infamy.
not so much after you flushed it.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/23 16:04:09
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batsbrew my steak lives on in infamy.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/24 07:10:26
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/24 09:14:04
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Next they'll be telling us that Brian Jones's death wasn't an accident.
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Re: Was Kurt Cobain murdered?
2015/11/24 10:04:53
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57Gregy Next they'll be telling us that Brian Jones's death wasn't an accident.
Oh my ..... you mean she will tell us a couple of hours before she says goodbye?
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