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2014/03/10 12:57:55 (permalink)

Was the Original song better than the new one?

Was the original better than the "hit" after?
 
This is one of those threads that is likely to never have an end, but it is a fun one! But at least one of the versions has to have been heard and known a bit.
 
The best one ever: Reynardine - Written by the Farinas, it had a massive blow out by Fairport Convention, with Sandy Denny's voice and an amazing guitar by Richard Thompson. By far, one of the prettiest things ever recorded in rock music. The original is interesting, but does not have the strength and the beauty of this one.
 
And some of the others, starting with the band that made validated at least 4 folks and their writing! Mike Heron.
 
Don't Kill It Carol - Mike Heron Redone by Manfred Mann's Earth Band who got a hit off it. Mike's version is more poetic and theatrical and less rock'y.
 
Blinded by the Light - Bruce His original version was not that great. Manfred Mann's version became a hit, and all of a sudden the song became a massive piece in Bruce's repertoire and he became more important in music.
 
All Along the Watchtower - Bob Dylan I doubt that most of you have ever heard the original. But no one has ever NOT heard Jimi's version which is vastly superior! But while the guitar sings, the words do not have the sarcastic tone that Bob had in the original! Check out Guitar Player and one of the reasons why people love the Jimi version so much.
 
Singing the Dolphin Through - Mike Heron Also redone and made into a hit by Manfred Mann's Earth Band. The original was all accoustic and very theatrical and strong by Mike. The hit version made the song more melodramatic and in some ways more visible and important than just one person's opinion.
 
Mighty Quinn - Bob Dylan Another massive hit for Manfred Mann in his early days!
 
Eleanor Rigby - The Beatles Several great versions of this. Ides of March had an awesome version of this on their first album ("Vehicle" was also their hit single on this album!). Esperanto also had a rave up version of this that was not as easy to take and enjoy, but it was naughty! It was in their last album called "The Last Tango"
 
Hold Me Tight - The Beatles Stackridge did an awesome reggae version of this song on the album "Mr. Mick"
 
Nektar and the Beatles In the album "Sounds Like This", which is a bunch of live studio sessions, they incorporate a few Beatles lines and bits and pieces that kinda shows where they came from. "New Day Dawning"
Northern Song - Monsoon/Steve Hillage With all the hoopla for doing this song, Steve Hillage did it, and it was alright, but the Hindu band "Monsoon" did a heck of a version of that sone that felt much more "hindu" than the "quasi" feeling in the Beatles song.
 
Jealous Guy - Bryan Ferry Bryan Ferry's Tribute to John Lennon after he passed away. Very nice.
 
She's Leaving Home - Bryan Ferry Bryan's goodbye to ...from the Beatles
 
Like a Hurricane - Bryan Ferry Bryan Ferry does this Neil Young piece, really nice and it sounds good, and even better.
 
Bryan Ferry did a whole bunch of Bob Dylan songs
 
Sandy Denny did a whole bunch of Bob Dylan Songs
 
Ces Gens La - Jacques Brel Jacques Brel's voice is not the easiest to handle and his style is even tougher. But Ange did one of his songs and never looked back, and it gave this VERY theatrical band, its personality that they never relinquished. Their first 7 albums are fabulous. The solo albums by the lead singer is like a musical on the stage. Very strong!
 
Stevie Ray Vaughn - Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) and Little Wing and Third Stone from the Sun. Stevie is the only person that EVER did Jimi Hendrix justice and sounded good on stage doing it.
 
I probably will get more but these are all I could find for now
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/10 13:23:58 (permalink)
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    Oh Carol - Mike Heron Redone by Manfred Mann's Earth Band who got a hit off it. Mike's version is more poetic and theatrical and less rock'y.
     



    'Oh Carol' was a Neil Sedaka song wasn't it? You may be thinking of 'Don't Kill It Carol'

     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/10 13:52:39 (permalink)
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    Oh Carol - Mike Heron Redone by Manfred Mann's Earth Band who got a hit off it. Mike's version is more poetic and theatrical and less rock'y.


    'Oh Carol' was a Neil Sedaka song wasn't it? You may be thinking of 'Don't Kill It Carol'




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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/10 16:32:59 (permalink)
    Black Magicc Woman.  A Peter Green song, the original was recorded by Fleetwood Mac.  Hardly anyone remembers that, since it was such a big hit for Santana. 
     
    I've heard the original, but I can't recall if it's better than the cover. 

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/10 16:59:11 (permalink)
    Phil Collins' "You Can't Hurry Love" -- way better than the original.

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 07:39:18 (permalink)
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    Black Magicc Woman.  A Peter Green song, the original was recorded by Fleetwood Mac.  Hardly anyone remembers that, since it was such a big hit for Santana. 
     
    I've heard the original, but I can't recall if it's better than the cover. 


    I prefer the original.

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 07:41:30 (permalink)
    Sandy Denny's version of Richard Thompson's "For the Shame of Doing Wrong", as much as i like Richard, Sandy's version is my favourite.

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 08:28:36 (permalink)
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    Black Magicc Woman.  A Peter Green song, the original was recorded by Fleetwood Mac.  Hardly anyone remembers that, since it was such a big hit for Santana. 
     
    I've heard the original, but I can't recall if it's better than the cover. 



    I think Santana's is wayyyyyy better!

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 08:47:49 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Another song:
     
    Paul Kantner - Have You Seen the Stars Tonite.  I think this was co-written by David Crosby, but I can not locate him singing this, and I know I heard it once a long time ago.

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 09:31:02 (permalink)
    Jimmy Fallon's cover of "Friday" by Rebecca Black was better than...
     
    That may not be a good example. Let me try again.
     
    Cast of Glee covering "What does the fox say?" by Ylvis...
     
    Ok, that's not any better.
     
    William Shatner's cover of "Rocket Man" by Elton John... I'm going to have to give the win to Elton on that one.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 09:34:02 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Pinball Wizard - Roger Ruskin Spear.
    And its best version EVER! Totally off the charts falsetto and properly done with the original musicians even, except that Roger played the teaspoons or something else. From the album "Unusual", itself a magnificent album worth getting, as good if not better than any of the Bonzo Dog Band albums.

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 09:46:34 (permalink)
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    Hi,
     
    Another song:
     
    Paul Kantner - Have You Seen the Stars Tonite.  I think this was co-written by David Crosby, but I can not locate him singing this, and I know I heard it once a long time ago.


    He probably did, CSN, the Dead, and Airplane were all on Blows Against the Empire. They were all everywhere on it. I haven't listened with that in mind but I bet he was singing backup. They were most all playing on Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name" too, along with a few others like Greg Rollie.
    edit> from wiki: David Crosby – vocals and guitar on "A Child Is Coming" and "Have You Seen the Stars Tonite", background vocals on "Starship" http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ows_Against_the_Empire
     
    JJ Cale IMO, did his songs better than Clapton.
     
    ABB did Statesboro Blues better than Blind Willie.
     
    Cream did Crossroads better than Robert Johnson.
     
    Camper Van Beethoven did Pictures of Matchstick Men better than Status Quo
     
    Manfred Mann did Blinded by the Light better than Springsteen.
     
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    Who knows who did the best cover of Goin' Down ?
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 09:47:38 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    I'm not gonna list Dream Theater here, because their list of covers is insane, and has Yes, Genesis, ELP, The Who, Led Zeppelin and many other originals.
     
    But I did want to mention Transatlantic, and it is now on the tube, where they did side one of Tales From Topographic Oceans with Jon Anderson  and I have to tell you that all of a sudden YES is nothing but a sick, tired old hit band right now.
     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 10:04:06 (permalink)
    > Was the Original song better than the new one?
     
    Song:        "Red, Red Wine"
    Original:     Neil Diamond
    New One:   UB40
     
    No. The Original song was NOT better than the excellent UB40 version (IMO).
     

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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 10:34:35 (permalink)
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    > Was the Original song better than the new one?
     
    Song:        "Red, Red Wine"
    Original:     Neil Diamond
    New One:   UB40
     
    No. The Original song was NOT better than the excellent UB40 version (IMO).
     


    Of course UB40 were actually covering Tony Tribe's 1969 hit reggae cover version. Apparently UB40 were initally unaware it was originally a Neil Dimond song. - My prefrence is for the Tony Tribe version but there is an element of nostalga in that choice.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 12:34:56 (permalink)
    Beatles covers were almost always better: 
    - Twist and Shout
    - Mr. Postman
    - Till There Was You
    - Chains
    - Long Tall Sally
    -  Roll Over Beethoven
    - Slow Down
     
    But not always:
    - Act Naturally
    - Honey Don't
     
    And sometimes other people arguably improved on Beatles songs:
    - Fiona Apple's "Across the Universe"
    - Jeff Beck's "She's a Woman"
    - Pat Benatar's "Helter Skelter"
    - Cheap Trick's "Magical Mystery Tour"
    - Eric Clapton's "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
    - Joe Cocker's "With a Little Help From My Friends"
    - Mamas & Papas "I Call Your Name"
    - The Muppets "Octopus' Garden"
     
     


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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 12:43:04 (permalink)
    What about all those Forum Monkey covers?
     
    That's some classy sh1te!!!
     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 12:50:34 (permalink)
    I'll trot this one out for the 12,563th time;
     


     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 12:52:09 (permalink)
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    I'll trot this one out for the 12,563th time;
     



    I'll ignore it for the 12,563th time.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 13:06:32 (permalink)
    No change there then.

     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 13:09:28 (permalink)

     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/11 13:24:56 (permalink)
    Yes, very mainstream and overly played, but VH covers were (IMO) much, much better than the originals:
     
    You Really Got Me (Kinks)
    Ice Cream Man (John Brim)
    Dancing In The Streets (Martha and the Vandellas)
    Where Have All the Good Times Gone (Ray Davies/Kinks)
    (Oh) Pretty Woman (Roy Orbison and Bill Dees)
    Big Bad Bill (Milton Ager)
    Happy Trails (Dale Evans/RoyRogers)
     
     
     
    Edit: Ooops....I just added the original artist.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 08:29:56 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Yeeeerrrr supposed to name the band, so we know who messed up the song!
     
    Yellow Magic Orchestra - Tighten Up (Archie Dell and the Drells)(sp.) The EP version that was available in Japanese only, and not issued elsewhere has some funny bits with it, and it makes the song come off really naughty, and even nasty, but kinda funny. The comedy bits are weird to say the least!
     
    Riuychi Sakamoto - We Love You (The Rolling Stones). With Robert Wyatt on voice. Very weird, but also off its rocker!
     
    Monster Mash - Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - Original by Bobby Pickett I think
     
    Eight Miles High - Golden Earring (almost 20 minutes long too!!!). The Byrds
     
    Tangerine Dream - Purple Haze - Jimi's the original of course. Edgar Froese still says that Jimi is massively important for him, though Edgar has not been shown playing a guitar for some time!
     
    Liar - Three Dog Night. They got the hit, but it appears that Capability Brown had this first, and a much better version of it, too, though not as pop music oriented.
     
    Mona - Man (band) in Christmas at the Patti, with the famous line from Deke Leonard about BJ Cole as a guest. "he don't know the words, and neither do we!). Quicksilver Messenger Service, I think.
     
    Amazing Grace (traditional) - The Groundhogs, mainly Toni McPhee, did a searing version of this, which apparently inspired Jimi to do the American anthem a bit later at Woodstock.
     
    Cymbaline - Hawkwind - First album. Pink Floyd's song
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 09:00:01 (permalink)
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    > Was the Original song better than the new one?
     
    Song:        "Red, Red Wine"
    Original:     Neil Diamond
    New One:   UB40
     
    No. The Original song was NOT better than the excellent UB40 version (IMO).
     




    Just goes to show how subjective music is - That UB40 version is pretty close to being the song I hate most in the whole world - if it comes on the radio I switch it off - I just can't stand his voice.
     
    IMO Bapu's monkeys singing it underwater would sound better.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 09:04:21 (permalink)
    I forgot to add Devo's version of Satisfaction (Rolling Stones). 
     
    The potatoes took a straightforward rock/pop song and turned it into a quirky robotic comedy. I loved it.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 10:52:17 (permalink)
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    IMO Bapu's monkeys singing it underwater would sound better.



    Well, there's only Juan Whey to prove that.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 18:40:44 (permalink)
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    IMO Bapu's monkeys singing it underwater would sound better.



    Well, there's only Juan Whey to prove that.


     
    No need, I'm already 100% sure that whatever the link is for, it couldn't possibly be worse.
     
    You can quote me on that in your album reviews if ya like.
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 21:43:50 (permalink)
    Nobody's going to mention "Piece of my Heart"?
    Actually Big Brother's version was a "cover".
    Faith Hill "murdered" it, not in a good way; IMHO...
     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 21:46:09 (permalink)
    Oh, and as to SRV covering Hendrix.
    Well I love Stevie, and his covers were excellent; but BETTER than Jimi?
    NO, different (and good), not better...
     
    Oh and Bit, you're being a bit harsh on Ring; aren't ya?
     
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    Re: Was the Original song better than the new one? 2014/03/12 23:47:35 (permalink)
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    Just goes to show how subjective music is - That UB40 version is pretty close to being the song I hate most in the whole world - if it comes on the radio I switch it off - I just can't stand his voice.


    I can see that, white boy from English midlands, son of a famous folk singer, putting on a mock Jamacian accent is a bit off putting. You also may not like Tony Tribe's voice, but it's the real thing.

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