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2013/05/15 20:24:20 (permalink)

Wav file won't load

Jusr bought some wav samples from bigfish. Tried to drag & drop to an audio track and all I get are periods (see image file below) showing up in the track. As well as in other tracks. Tried to import as well. Restarted my computer. No luck. Anyone have any idea what might be happening? Thanks.
 
 
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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/15 21:42:03 (permalink)
What is the size of these WAV files on disc? If you browse to them using Windows Explorer and then right click and choose properties, how big are they?

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/15 21:48:54 (permalink)
Can you play those files in Windows Media Player?

Did you look further out on the track. Maybe it put the WAV further out on the track than you expected. Usually the dots mean something is on the track, but not where you're looking. Try View-Navigator to see the whole track. 

 The top track looks like a MIDI track. 

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 03:05:25 (permalink)
+1 to what Dave wrote. If you get dots on the track it means the files are further down the timeline.
You need to check (or uncheck :o) "Import Broadcast wav at their timestamp".

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 05:15:22 (permalink)
gswitz, the file is 2.05 mb.

daveny5, plays fine in WMP. Also will open (and play fine) in FL Studio 11 and Adobe Audition 3.01. The midi track in the image is the track above the audio file track that I am asking about.

Kalle, it is no where on the timeline, just dots. Don't know where "Import Broadcast wav at their timestamp" happens to be.

Thanks for you replies.

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 05:20:17 (permalink)
It does sound like a broadcast wav to me.
 
Look in Preferences - File - Audio Data and ucheck "Always Import Broadcast Waves At Their Timestamp" and see if it helps.

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 05:22:10 (permalink)
i had the same problem with some wav-files using x2b. only dots on the timeline. the only way i could import the files, was to save the files as *.aif format with an external wave-editor. then it works.
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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 05:26:38 (permalink)
 Kalle, looks like you were right about the "Import Broadcast wav at their timestamp." Thanks. 

jb101, thanks so much for showing me where the above is located.
 
One other thing, without your help on this matter, how would a person know to uncheck  "Import Broadcast wav at their timestamp?" This seems like an important issue that needs to be addressed by Cakewalk. Especially when FL Studio and Adobe Audition have no problem with the file. I could have looked for eternity for a solution without you guys.

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 05:42:47 (permalink)
amGod, thanks for your reply. Was thinking about saving it as an MP3 before the solution was offered.

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/16 07:34:27 (permalink)
I have often wondered why it is "on" by default.  It catches a lot of people out.
 
Broadcast waves carry a timestamp to say where on the timeline they belong.  This can be very useful if, e.g. you're sharing stems with someone else, so all your tracks line up, or in video/radio, where everything has to be in sync.
 
I guess my question would be, why are the files timestamped way into a project?  Someone more knowledgeable might chime in with an answer.
 
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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/17 04:45:00 (permalink)
OH MY GOD!!!

that was the weirdest issue ever I had with Sonar!!!!

so stupid (ignorance)

But obviously somebody at cakewalk have to fix or workaround that!!!
tons of wavefiles and samples simple wont load as you spected!!!!!!!!
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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/17 04:56:24 (permalink)
OTOH,  it is quite logical, that an audio clip gets imported at the time stamp it includes. When you are assembling a project sent to you as separate wav-files from another DAW, it's the obvious way. Then again, I've never done that, so I have no first hand experience of the reliability of the stamps.
The key question, IMO, is, why does a commercial wav-sample have a time stamp that positions the file beyond the horizon?
No workarounds are needed, just uncheck the option.

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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/17 08:15:12 (permalink)
I cannot see how this is a Cakewalk problem, this is the fault of a few loop vendors. Why would vendors ship loops as broadcast waves? The timestamps would be of no value.
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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/17 08:47:59 (permalink)
Chasmcg


 Kalle, looks like you were right about the "Import Broadcast wav at their timestamp." Thanks. 

jb101, thanks so much for showing me where the above is located.
 
One other thing, without your help on this matter, how would a person know to uncheck  "Import Broadcast wav at their timestamp?" This seems like an important issue that needs to be addressed by Cakewalk. Especially when FL Studio and Adobe Audition have no problem with the file. I could have looked for eternity for a solution without you guys.


The dots are telling you that something is there. 

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I cannot see how this is a Cakewalk problem, this is the fault of a few loop vendors. Why would vendors ship loops as broadcast waves? The timestamps would be of no value.
I totally agree. 


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Re:Wav file won't load 2013/05/18 08:24:55 (permalink)
If you see dots in the track view... the file DID import but, it's much further to the right side of the track. 

Use the zoom function to zoom out on the track view and simply click it and drag it back to the start. 

I had that happen a few times importing waves and didn't realize the wave was waaaaaaaaayyyyy out on the time line.  Once you know about it, it just becomes a nuisance.... easy to remedy. 

This very thing happened to me recently on importation of several tracks for a remix from another studio.  Several imported just fine to the start of the time line, and the rest were way out on the time line. 

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Re:Wav file won't load 2017/07/23 09:06:56 (permalink)
Thanks to those who posted the solution.
 
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OH MY GOD!!!

that was the weirdest issue ever I had with Sonar!!!!

....
But obviously somebody at cakewalk have to fix or workaround that!!!
tons of wavefiles and samples simple wont load as you spected!!!!!!!!



I totally agree, and wholly disagree with those above saying this is not a Cakewalk problem. How the hell is anyone supposed to know that the dots mean (in my case) mean that a 76 bar audio file (just a wav file rendered from Logic), inserted at time 0, like hundreds other wav files I've imported into Sonar previoulsy with no problem, is there, but this time, starts at bar 1795?
 
Don't blame Logic or loop vendors; Sonar looks like the odd man out here,  because Studio One, MuLab, Adobe Audution and even 10 year old Acid Pro know to import it at the designated point (i.e. time 0:00:00).   That is just incredibly non-obvious. One shouldn't have to turn to a forum to figure this out. This, four years after the original post. Gosh, what a thing to leave out of the "continuous improvment" agenda which is the basis of the SPLAT sales pitch.  
 
To say this is normal is to be in denial.
 
 
 

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Re:Wav file won't load 2017/07/23 09:56:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/07/24 09:16:21
Yes and no... If there's a time stamp in the audio file, and SONAR is told to obey it, then it should be positioned according to the time stamp. How else?? That is how exported (broadcast)wavs of a project for example, can be automatically positioned correctly when transferring stuff between DAWs. 
 
Then again, the wav you rendered from Logic, how did it get a time stamp for bar 1795? Was it your original recording or an imported one (or partly imported)? Could it have (or one of its elements) a time stamp, and Logic
was set to ignore it as default, but it was included in the Broadcast Wav? Of course, there can always bve bugs...
 
"How the hell is anyone supposed to know that the dots mean..." I'm almost sure the manual tells most of those details.

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Re:Wav file won't load 2017/07/23 14:11:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/07/23 20:54:34
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One shouldn't have to turn to a forum to figure this out. This, four years after the original post. Gosh, what a thing to leave out of the "continuous improvment" agenda which is the basis of the SPLAT sales pitch.  
 
To say this is normal is to be in denial.




If you want to bump a 4 year old thread at least come prepared.
 
Seriously,
This was changed/fixed over a year ago (Broadcast waves is no longer the default) 
Not sure what version you are using but obviously not the latest one.
 
Sonar Platinum: If you want SONAR to import Broadcast Wave files always at their timestamped location, go to Edit > Preferences > File - Audio Data and select the Always Import Broadcast Waves At Their Timestamp check box. Otherwise, set the Now Time and current track to indicate where the audio should be placed.
 
They even added a shortcut: Note: When importing Broadcast Wave files, you can hold down the SHIFT key to temporarily toggle the behavior of the Always Import Broadcast Waves At Their Timestamp global option.
 
Kind of sounds like "continuous improvement" to me.
Are you still on the Hopkinton update ? (I see in your Sig) That's an old update man.
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