M_Glenn_M
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Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
Somehow I recorded my vox with a low signal but it comes out fine.
IOW The waveform is so small that V-Vocal does not register but the fader and Gain are at unity in the mix.
Of course if I Normalize, the V-Vocal works fine but I get noise and have to crank the Gain/fader way down to balance.
What would you do to this track to get V-Vocal working but without the noise?
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 11:04:40
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Hi Glenn, I would careful use the PC ´s console emulation (a mix of dime and drive)to make the signal louder , then bounce it and try if it works.Also I would have a look a the frequence analzer to see and hear if a low and high cut are helpful and if hum and other noises have to be filtered (sonitus eq?) Pragi
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CJaysMusic
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 12:29:06
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Its hard to say without knowing the actual level vocal. Peak and RMS levels.
But, it seems like it was recorded too low and this is why when you raise the level of your vocal you are hearing artifacts. This is a tell tale sign of your track being recorded too low do to you hearing the noiselfoor when you try to raise the volume.
CJ
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M_Glenn_M
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 12:44:37
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I agree it was probably recorded too low.
The levels seem fine in the mix tho.
fader and gain at 0 are good.
It just won't register in V-Vocal unless I normalize but that adds the noise.
I'm thinking some sort of gating? Then what?
How to get VV to register without the noise.
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 12:53:31
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Without seeing the wave form in the track.... that's what it sounds like.... recorded too low.
I've had the same thing happen. Signal levels really low and the wave looks like a line in the track....yet sounds fairly reasonable in playback. But... learn how to get the wave to actually take up anywhere from 50% to 90% of the track real estate and things will work much better since the signal is stronger.
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 13:06:26
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Try putting a gain envelope on the clip, increase gain, bounce to clip, then v-vocal for pitch whatever and then bring the level back down again using the dynamics tool, bounce to clip and see where that leaves you.
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 14:28:27
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Too quiet & needs v-vocal seem like good reasons to rerecord if poss
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paulo
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 15:00:21
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lawp
Too quiet & needs v-vocal seem like good reasons to rerecord if poss
Yeah, there is that. I was assuming that this wasn't an option for some reason.
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M_Glenn_M
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/21 15:15:54
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Lol, well the tracks are good - best vox clips taken from 6 takes.
The V-V is for occasional harmonies.
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/22 07:23:23
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/08/22 10:08:07
If the level and quality of the vocal is OK in the final mix, then it must be being processed to some extent by passing through busses and/or effects. If you like it this way, rather than trying to reproduce what you've done with new gain, gating and EQ settings on the vox, why not just solo the track and record the resultant mixed solo vocal, then replace the original with this for the purposes of processing with V-Vocal?
Just a suggestion.
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/22 07:42:45
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Try to normalize to -3 dB. See if that is closer to what you want. You don't need to use every available bit to get sufficient levels for V-Vocal.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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M_Glenn_M
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/22 10:09:26
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Roger, that's the idea I was searching for! thanks.
Gwitz, I did try that thanks but the noise comes with it in the normalizing.
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CJaysMusic
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Re: Waveform too low for V-Voc but levels are fine?
2013/08/22 12:28:27
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Try using Melodyne or another tuning program. Im sure Melodyne can do it, even though its too low for V-vocal. V-vocal doesn't measure up to Melodyne.
CJ
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