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2012/04/14 20:25:36 (permalink)

Waveform view not showing

Hi, I just got Essentials and did a test record from my KORG keyboard after inserting an 'audio track'. It recorded but no waveform showed as I was playing and I can't get it to show now. Was I supposed to insert a 'MIDI track' because I am using the keyboard?
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/14 20:39:23 (permalink)
Did you arm the track for recording then press record?

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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/15 00:51:12 (permalink)
Yes I did arm it-recorded and then saw in manual to go in preferences and make sure 'show waveform ' is checked-apply. Still nothing. I recorded into a MIDI track also now and their is no waveform view either but it did show those lines for the notes. I used to use Cool Edit Pro and now getting back into recording and needed sequencer to use a special VSTi so this is new to me.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/15 00:59:41 (permalink)
There is no waveform in MIDI. MIDI is data only. Those dots are MIDI data shown in graphic form.

To record the hardware synth's audio output you have to connect it to an audio input that X1 can see. Then you will need to set the an audio track to record the audio streaming in.

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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/15 11:01:20 (permalink)
The Main R/L mono audio outs are connected to the Lola 280 Sound card and am using the ASIO driver and it is designated in Sonar. As I said,it did record and can be played back. The only thing I can find from reading the Sonar manual is to click track view under 'views' and it is supposed to show but it does not. And , again ,I checked the 'show waveform' in preferences.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/15 15:01:58 (permalink)
Try right clicking on the recorded clip and choosing Audio Files, then choosing to Recalculate Waveform. This may fix it. Peace, Tunes
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/15 22:18:57 (permalink)
Hi, I am traveling so delayed response. I opened assoc. files and recalc. Nothing. When making audio track do I need to unplug the MIDI in/out first? Also, I just bought this and see that sonarx1 (d) version upgrade is available. Maybe I should assume none has been done to mine. I have BUILD 185.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/15 22:35:51 (permalink)
Ok just on a hunch lets sort a few basic things out. The back of your keyboard has audio outputs that will run to your sound cards inputs, those inputs will be selected in the track you arm for recording, The meter will move when you play. If it does not then there is no audio signal arriving. Go back and check your sound card is the one selected in audio options.There will be no wave form until you see that meter move. MIDI is the different and much preferred way to record from a keyboard like you already know from using Cool edit. It has nothing to do with the audio output of your keyboard other than it will duplicate what was played but not as sound but as data. This data can be sent back to the keyboard or better yet assigned the MIDI track to a soft synth. You can record both the audio and the MIDI at the same time, they do not interfere with each other.

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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/16 00:23:55 (permalink)
HI, Actually, I never used MIDI in/out when I had Cool Edit. My music which is just Soundscape style recorded just fine for me. 8 CD's over 8 yrs. while trying to tame the KORG Triton. Personal hobby. 486 computer- 1 Ghz- 1 Gig ram. Hoontek 24/96 card. Just fine ! Puter died on me. Now I just bought an ACER Veriton w/ 3 Ghz- 4 gig ram. $300 reconditioned. $700 Digigram Lola low profile PCIe card.(mini tower only has 1 PCIe slot.) My Lola sound card has a nice complete internal monitoring interface including 'recording levels' which I am trying to adjust right. I used to use a Beringer mixer to hear everything but I find the headphone jack from the card does just fine now. Now, as I said a few times, it does record and I can play it back in Sonar. So, therefore, there must be an audio signal.( I do not see much of a meter movement though and have to increase the volume at the meter to hear it well. I have the Lola recording levels at 0db. I think I should play with that more and put some gain to it. I might have already.)ha. Granted I am clueless as to the intricacies of audio recording but if I hear it it must be working. Right? I do see the designated in/out assignments of the Lola card at the bottom of the meters and audio devices show the ASIO driver. I have put this to Sonar Support and will post a follow up.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/18 00:19:42 (permalink)
An update to my post. No response from support after 2 days. What gives. Too many bugs ?
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/19 01:45:42 (permalink)
Day 3 No Response from support. Time to look for a different company. $85 down the drain. i did manage to adjust my $700 Digigram Lola 280 so when I recorded in Sonar I saw a very thin waveform. I tried to enlarge it vertically by using the +/- sign at the edge of the track only to see the waveform become a line. If this is what I get for a basic function to hell with this junk. I don't care what all you experts are saying about anything here. It's perplexing to see over 150 views that cannot tell me something also. I never had a single problem with Cool Edit Pro which is now Audition. I need to use a VSTi I bought so I had to get a sequencer type of software. i guess I got what I paid for.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/19 23:41:44 (permalink)
Day 4 - No response from support. Are you still thinking about buying Sonar?
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/20 03:19:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
are you sure the track inputs are correct to receive the signal from the keyboard?

Also, do you have the keyboard going to a preamp before your sound interface or do the inputs on your interface have preamps?

You have to boost up a keyboards signal. Wehn you plug it into a P.A. system, it goes through an amp that boosts its signal big time. 

To record, you need to boost the signal as well, using a preamp.

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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/20 03:55:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
As frustrating as it is, I think you need to back up a little and just check the basics here. If you wouldn't mind answering these questions we may be able to help better.

  1. Have you actually recorded the keyboard's audio? i.e. When you rewind and press play you hear the keyboard played back with your keyboard volume set to - ~ dB. That will rule out the possibility that you recorded MIDI data and the keyboard is playing that back.
  2. Can you drag a wave file (from the browser for example) into an audio track and play that back and hear it? If so does that display the waveform.
  3. Are you definitely viewing the Track View Clips pane and not the Buss view

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post edited by FastBikerBoy - 2012/04/23 02:03:51
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/21 19:12:45 (permalink)
Day 6 Nothing
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/21 19:15:16 (permalink)
Sorry about the delay .I'll check on that soon.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/22 11:30:26 (permalink)
Hi, The main mono R/L from the KORG go to 'in 1 and 2' of the sound card . I monitor the sound with the headphone jsck at the card. I hear it record into Sonar and hear it playback after recording on a 'audio track'. The in put and out put in Sonar are assigned correctly. I never used a preamp between the KORG and the sound card in my old system so I didn't think I would need one now.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/22 11:45:30 (permalink)
There are many variables when  it comes to recording levels. It will depend on the output level of your Korg and the levels of your inputs.

When you recorded the track you should have seen the meters on the track moving. What levels did they peak at and what sort of average where they at? Ideally you should be looking for peaks of around -12dB (on Sonars meters), although a little hotter won't hurt.

The record levels are set by your interface, either by hardware control or software. There's nothing you can do from within Sonar to control the level that a track is recorded at. Getting the record level right is an important part of getting good results so I'd investigate what is happening at the input stage as a starting point.
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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/22 11:55:34 (permalink)
SO what do the track meters show when you play the keyboard? They need to be up around unity or yes, you will have a weak signal. This is all very basic stuff I'm afraid you need to answer FBB questions as well. There is nothing wrong with your software, you have not even tried to fix a simple matter of signal path and gain stageing. Over and over everyone has given you the solution and you are ignoring them. Turn up your output of the Korg, turn up the input gain of the sound card.

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Re:Waveform view not showing 2012/04/23 01:40:49 (permalink)
Hello, I'm sorry about not specifically answering some of your questions. I discovered a couple of things that I changed to make it all right. I hope. Please read my other post -- What in hell... to find out what happened. Thanks much for your help and concern. I still need to try again to download upgrade a b c. and d. I am on a Verizon modem and 697 MB is a lot and slow to download. Any comments on this whole thing should be said in the other post please.
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