MickyD
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Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
Hi folks.
I have a friend who uses Cubase and really finds Wavelab great for mastering his projects. But, I've read that Wavelab is quirky running with Sonar X2. Is there a comparison mastering bundle that works well with Sonar?
Thanks.
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Sanderxpander
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 18:21:52
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Wavelab is a standalone program. There's no reason why it would be "quirky" at all running with Sonar. In fact there's no reason to run it "with" Sonar at all, as the two programs are entirely separate things. Am I misunderstanding something or are you?
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MickyD
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 18:33:12
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Perhaps I am. I thought that Wavelab integrated with Cubase. ie, becomes associated in the Cubase program. Similar idea as ProChannel in Sonar. Just looking for an education I guess.
Thanks for replying.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 18:48:10
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You can integrate a wave editor in Sonar so that a track or selected region of a track in Sonar is passed to your editor of choice, processed and then returned.
I use Sound Forge for my mastering and superfine editing.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 18:53:30
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I got wavelab elements 7 and it is a, separate program from the same company as Cubase Company name : Steinberg Wavelab is not required for mastering, as you can master well in sonar too i guess ! there may be other people on this forum that can give a better answer than me then. If you plan making a CD of all your songs, then you may use wavelab or another program like CD Architect
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MickyD
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 18:54:19
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That sounds intriguing. I'm sort of new at using Sonar. About a year into the learning curve so to speak. I'm purchasing Scott's book on Sonar X2 and looking forward to speeding up my knowledge. Which version of Sound Forge are you using? I have a version that's about 8 years old. My wife uses Sound Forge a LOT and she really loves the program. I'd like to update to the newest version. I appreciate your further thoughts on this. mudgel
You can integrate a wave editor in Sonar so that a track or selected region of a track in Sonar is passed to your editor of choice, processed and then returned.
I use Sound Forge for my mastering and superfine editing.
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MickyD
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 18:57:43
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☄ Helpfulby hheine 2017/08/31 01:13:04
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I got wavelab elements 7 and it is a, separate program from the same company as Cubase
Company name : Steinberg
You don't have to use wavelab ... you can master well in sonar too i guess.
If you plan making a CD of all your songs, then you may use wavelab
or another program like CD Architect
I'm sure getting a lot of information that has been lacking for me. I didn't even think about the fact that I would need to have a decent CD mastering software to put together a quality "master" CD for reproduction. Got a lot to learn, and feel like I've been behind the 8 ball far too many years! Glad I made this post guys! Welcome more thoughts.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 19:21:06
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☄ Helpfulby hheine 2017/08/31 01:13:12
Sound Forge (latest V11.0) and Wavelab are audio editors. Sonar and Cubase are Digital Audio Workstations (DAW).
I use Sonar for composing / recording / mixing music. Using such facilities as VST Instruments and audio recordings to make the final composition. I use Sound Forge for the final mastering and fine editing (but you don't have to). I also use it for editing and producing sound effects for productions ands editing their music to suit there needs i.e. I import it into Sound forge.
The confusing bit is that you can integrate Audio Editors into DAWs so that the audio in the DAW can be edited in the Audio Editor before being returned to the DAW. Audio Editors usually have more precise editing tools for this task.
I have Sound Forge integrated with Sonar but it isn't necessary for producing top quality work. You can get good mastered tracks and burn them from within Sonar with a little skill.
Hope this helps
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 19:53:42
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If by chance you have or are planning to get Presonus Studio One, there is a built in mastering suite included in the higher version(s), which many swear by as well. EDIT: Forgot to mention that with Studio One's mastering, one of the options that's really cool, is that if you go back and make some changes to any songs, those changes are automatically updated in those songs that are sitting in the mastering suite - a huge time saver. So although I don't use Studio One much, I will be trying that first when the time comes to master, as I already have that DAW installed.
post edited by jimusic - 2013/10/07 01:11:10
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 20:02:17
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I use Studio One Pro v2.6 for mastering. You put your final mixes into a "project", and it has everything that you need for final masters and duplication.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 20:50:11
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You can do the same in Sonar as it has all the mastering tools you need.
Sound Forge has some tools that Sonar doesn't have and depending on the mastering job I prefer doing it in Sound Forge.
I recommend you got to the iZotope website and download their mastering guide. The information there is invaluable and while they talk about using ozone and other iZotope software the principles apply to all mastering and any other plugins that perform the same job.
When mastering I export a stereo final mix version into Sound Forge (11) but if I need to do some difficult kind of edit while tracking or mixing. Etc I will often just highlight the audio in Sonar and process it in Sound Forge. It provides a seamless workflow for me as it's just like Sonar has this audio editor on steroids right inside.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2013/10/06 23:05:39
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If you want a separate program for mastering Wavelab is ok. I find it a little wonky though and Steinberg can take their dongle and stuff it, so I'd recommend Sound Forge instead. It has a real nice user interface and workflow. Only real issue with it is the included effects are pretty much garbage. So you'll be wanting to provide your own VSTs. However do that, and it works well, including great batch processing. I don't have it at home, but I use it at work.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2017/08/31 01:57:07
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I use Wavelab 6 for wave editing and DSP. In a previous version (8.5 Producer) I was able to use Wavelab to edit clips in the Sonar project. I would select the clip, right click on, and it calls Wavelab and opens the file. I cannot remember how I got that to work from a menu in Sonar, but I think it was pretty simple. I don't think there was any registry editing involved.
Can anyone help me get Wavelab 6 integrated with Sonar Platinum? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2017/08/31 10:30:43
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I have Soundforge 11 and have used it maybe once for noise reduction. I use Sonar for all mixing and all mastering. I may use Studio One 3 for mastering in the future. Not once have I used Soundforge for mastering. Today Sonar has too many tools for nearly anything one would want to do including mastering. I also have Ozone 7 Advanced. Plus a slew of other VSTs for mastering.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2017/08/31 10:31:31
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☄ Helpfulby hheine 2017/09/07 00:00:36
hheine
I use Wavelab 6 for wave editing and DSP. In a previous version (8.5 Producer) I was able to use Wavelab to edit clips in the Sonar project. I would select the clip, right click on, and it calls Wavelab and opens the file. I cannot remember how I got that to work from a menu in Sonar, but I think it was pretty simple. I don't think there was any registry editing involved.
Can anyone help me get Wavelab 6 integrated with Sonar Platinum? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2017/08/31 12:30:46
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With SONAR Platinum and Wavelab 9 you can select clips in SONAR and open them via Utilities Menu in Wavelab. There you can edit or process each clip. By closing Wavelab the clips are send back to SONAR. Works perfect.
We use Wavelab Pro 9 for batch-editing in SONAR.
Also for pan-normalising and pitch-shifting.
The Editor from Wavelab is not better than from SONAR.
The included plugins from SONAR and Wavelab are a matter of taste. If you work with appropriate plugins (iZotope, UAD, Waves ...) SONAR has a better workflow (in my opinion). But the result is the same.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2017/08/31 14:55:01
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Old thread but glad someone found scooks tool editor as its hard to find around here.
I have used Wave Lab since #4
I use elements 7 now and it's main attribute is you can global analyze your song to see what the average RMS level is. Sonar does not have that feature. It's also way easier to top and tail songs and seek and destroy spikes.
I find Wave lab does most editing tasks with fewer mouse clicks so for me i's faster and more efficient.
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Re: Wavelab vs ? for Sonar X2
2017/09/03 15:53:41
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I use Samplitude Pro X for mastering, it's VERY powerful. I still use SONAR for tracking and mixing, but that's just a preference issue because I've been using it since I bought it on a floppy from Greg Hendershott himself. Samplitude can handle the entire process end to end for those inclined to learn new tricks.
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