Waves Native Power Pack

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2007/07/22 22:03:06 (permalink)

Waves Native Power Pack

Hi Everyone,
I've been using Sonar HS 6xl for a while and over time I've used several of the cakewalk plug-ins. I've tried various things and I've been happy with the results from the cakewalk compressor and reverb and the sonitus eq.
I decided to venture just a bit, so I purchased the Waves Native Power Pack.
I have an overall understanding of how each of the plug-ins functions and I have read the accompanying manuals etc.
Maybe it is just the GUI, but I don't seem to feel that comfortable using the Waves compressor, Reverb or the EQ. I'm a little embarrassed, but I think the fact that the cakewalk plug-ins graphically represent their hardware counterparts has helped me when it comes to using them.
Has anyone come across any helpful reading? Or are there maybe even presets (other than the ones that are already there) that someone has come across to just use as starting points? I will continue to use trial and error and just to experiment around, but I just thought I would see if anyone might be able to offer some help on the subject.
Thanks....

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    droddey
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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/22 22:57:27 (permalink)
    What issues specifically are you having? Perhaps some folks here can help out wiht some condensed tutorials.

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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/24 09:10:24 (permalink)
    Okay.....

    My first question is regarding loading the presets for the reverbs:
    I am trying to use the IR-L and wanted to load some of the presets. I clicked on load/open preset. When I go to the waves plug-ins folder I see the IR-1 impulses and then the library presets folder. But it appears to be empty.
    For the Truverb I went into the Trueverb set up library. I saw that there are Send and Thru folders. I am not sure that I understand the difference between using these set ups.... so I guess I would love a quick explaination on correctly loading the presets.

    Second question:
    Also, I am not sure how to find the wet/dry ratio when using the Truverb.

    Third question -
    When using the C1 classic compressor how is the 'makeup' determined? Do you set the output to taste?

    Actually, I am not sure how to best determine what the input or output should be when using each of the plug-ins.

    Thanks so much for helping.....

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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/24 13:17:15 (permalink)
    If you want to use the IR-L, you should order the two CDs of IR files that you get access to a Waves customer. They only cost you $10 and they have some really nice IR files on there. Once you install them, you'll have plenty of good reverbs to play with.

    On the TrueVerb, there are three buttons on the right side there. One turns on or off the direct signal, one the reverb tail , and one the early reflections. Just turn off the direct signal and that only leaves the reverba nd reflections.

    But definitely IR-L is HUGELY superior to TrueVerb, though TrueVerb is good for that type of verb. So definitely get those IR files.

    But IR-L on a bus and just use a Send on the tracks that you want to have reverb. IR-L defaults to a completey wet signal, so it's setup correctly upon insertion for a bus-style reverb usage.
    post edited by droddey - 2007/07/24 13:24:21

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    gatagirl
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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/25 19:01:38 (permalink)
    Thanks very much for your input and I will definitely order those CD's.

    Now I understand....the IR-L defaults to a completely wet signal. Is there a way to use it if your are not utilizing a bus set up?

    Can you expain, with the C1 classic compressor how is the 'makeup' determined?
    Do you set the C1 output to taste?

    How do you best determine what the input or output should be when using any of the plug-ins? Is it just a matter of trying different amounts as you go, or is there some general reason why one would do it a certain way?

    I realize that many things with effects is subjective opinion, so I guess I am not looking for rules, but perhaps general approaches.

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    droddey
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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/25 20:39:47 (permalink)
    Now I understand....the IR-L defaults to a completely wet signal. Is there a way to use it if your are not utilizing a bus set up?


    If you are putting it on a track, you'd just use the slider that's in the lower middle of the interface, and pull it down to the desired mix of wet and dry signal.

    Can you expain, with the C1 classic compressor how is the 'makeup' determined? Do you set the C1 output to taste?


    It's completely arbitrary. The assumption is that you will want to often flip back and forth between the original signal and the processed signal, to get a feel for how it is affecting the sound of that track or buss. For this to work, you need them both to be at the same volume. The compressor lowers the volume, so you need to boost it back up to get it back to the same volume again.

    Just do it by looking at the track level numbers. Play a little of the track without the compressor and not the maximum level it reached. Turn on the compressor and play the same part of the track and see where it's at. The difference is the amount you need to raise the makeup gain to get it back to the same level (assuming that the part you played was representative of the dynamic of the overall track.) Normally, it'll come out something like half of the maximum compression level, in that ballpark.


    How do you best determine what the input or output should be when using any of the plug-ins? Is it just a matter of trying different amounts as you go, or is there some general reason why one would do it a certain way?


    One useful way to go about it is to do a rough mix before you apply any processing. Get everything sounding about where you want it. Then if you follow the above strategy to make the overall volume of the track the same after processing, then that tells you were the put the output level, it's what's required to keep the level the same.

    There are exceptions. If the track was recorded too low for some reason, then you have to boost it. Or, some particular plugin might work better if driven harder, so you might let one plugin boost it up and the next plugin make up for that boost by lowering the output (or it might naturally suck up some of that higher signal.) An example of this is a distortion plugin or a tape saturation pluging, which might do better if given a hotter signal sometimes.

    But there aren't really many rules here. It's mostly 'whatever works'.

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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/29 19:06:04 (permalink)
    Thanks, Droddey for all of your help...... Much appreciated.

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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/30 02:42:52 (permalink)
    BTW, when I said just look at the numbers above, that's not always going to work. Sometimes the same numeric levels don't sound the same volume-wise because you've changed the frequency balance. So you might have to adjust by ear somewhat sometimes, but mostly it works out pretty well that way. I just do it first by the numbers as a matter of discipline, because that way I know for sure I've not affected the output of the track by applying the processing, and therefore I won't affect the final levels should I decide to remove a processor at some point. But if that ended up making it ear splitting because it's all high frequency now for something like that, then I'd adjust it more by ear, but I've not had that really happen often that I can remember.

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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/07/31 15:49:30 (permalink)
    Thanks!

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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/08/01 01:09:55 (permalink)
    Ya know, You can also download the impulses from www.acoustics.net (waves impulse site), they have some impulses that are not included on the CDs, Though you need to keep yourself updated with the Waves update plan in order to continue downloading after a year.

    To use the files, download the zip file, extract it, and drag the file directly into your acoustics.net foled (which should be in the Waves IRL folder) the files will appear under the appropriate folder in the IRL "Load" dropdown menu.

    Try to find the Disney Concert Hall, sounds incredible.

    I am an advocate for reverb on a bus exclusively. I think it is just the best way to maintain control. A 50/50 dry/wet signal is probably the most you will ever need in natural sounding reverb, and you can control the ammount by the bus send level.
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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/08/01 01:30:10 (permalink)
    I'm using a shorter (brighter) and longer (darker) plate, plus a hall from there, and they are really nice. I'm not sure which hall I'm using. I'll check the Disney one.

    Though, just to make sure that it's obvious to newbies, the wet/dry slider would still be at 100% wet, always that way when on a buss. He just means adjusting the send level to get that mix (or whatever mix it turns out to be.) In rock/pop type music, you may commonly use more than 50% mix, since you aren't necessarily going for a realistic sound. Sometimes you want a really drenched, reverberant sound, usually during parts where the mix is pretty sparse, so there's plenty of room for those thick reverbs to float around in.
    post edited by droddey - 2007/08/01 01:36:45

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    gatagirl
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    RE: Waves Native Power Pack 2007/08/01 16:43:03 (permalink)
    As a newbie.... thank you for your additonal comments about the wet/dry slider. It's starting to make a lot more sense.

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