Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month!

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2011/10/03 11:59:22 (permalink)

Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month!

WAVES new "Plug of the Month" promo is a great way of selling some of their older generation (but still excellent) plugs at "no-brainer" prices.  All you iLok owners should check em out.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/03 12:06:56 (permalink)
    and if you don't have an ilok?

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/03 12:07:25 (permalink)
    +1 This was included with the Gold bundle I bought years ago & it's still my go-to delay that I use today.
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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/03 14:21:48 (permalink)
    batsbrew


    and if you don't have an ilok?


    Then its $80 to you sir.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/03 14:59:16 (permalink)
    then what's the point of introducing folks to wave products?

    that's enough to scare anyone off of getting in the game...

    marketing people are idiots.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/04 23:26:36 (permalink)
    That's why I said "all you iLok owners".

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 16:09:49 (permalink)
    It's just an ilok, what's the big deal? I never even think about my ilok. In fact I just had to look down to make sure mine was still there (don't know why it wouldn't be, but still). It's not nearly as intrusive as everyone makes it seem. 
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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 16:22:45 (permalink)
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    It's just an ilok, what's the big deal?


    The big deal is a $19 bargin becomes $80 if you don't already have an iLok.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 16:54:12 (permalink)
    exactly.


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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 17:37:26 (permalink)
    but would you buy an ILOK for just one plug? yes I had to buy my original ILOK for its first plug, but after that its all gravy.............................. I hadn't had any system or ILOK issues since I had mine and its got about 25 licenses on it now.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 17:46:30 (permalink)
    I bought an iLok for one synth, but I got that free, so for $40 (the old iLok) it was a great deal.  Never had a problem w/ iLok - I think there were so early problems but they have been worked out.  And the e-Licenser from Stienberg is pretty invisible too.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 19:22:17 (permalink)
    Roight...That 50 buck iLok has to then be amortized over the life of all the other iLok plugs you decide to obtain. I don't think anyone should think they are buying an iLok for ONE plug. EDIT Although I would gladly pay the extra fifty in order to use my CLA Signature series. Killer Diller!
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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 20:04:21 (permalink)
    I get that $19 suddenly becomes $80 if you don't have one, but how is that Waves fault? If a Blue-ray player goes on sale, but you don't have a TV, it's not the marketing people at the Blueray company's fault, it's yours I guess (is anybody really at fault?)
    Anyway, my point is that, like musicman100 and AT, I've never had any issues with Ilok or e-Licenser, and aside from taking up USB ports on my computer (and these days desktop computers come with so many ports), it's quite transparent. You can get an Ilok and sleep comfortably at night.
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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 20:53:13 (permalink)
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    I get that $19 suddenly becomes $80 if you don't have one, but how is that Waves fault? .
    Well, Waves chose the protection system, they could have used a license manager like NI’s service centre or a simple authorisation code like Cakewalk. Unlike your TV analogy the iLok is not a critical component in utilising the software. It brings zero added value to the user; its only value is to the developer as it makes it harder to pirate the software.
    I am no stranger to dongles, I can have up to four different dongles attached to my work laptop at any one time and none has ever given me problems, I doubt if the iLok is any different.  I would not let the iLok requirement stop me from from buying something I really wanted but I would factor the cost into the overall equation. 
    The list price of the Super Tap is $79 so you could look at the deal as buy Super Tap and get a free iLok.  Phrased like that, for a non iLok owner it sounds like a better deal, but I still do not think this current Waves deal is good marketing.
    In contrast XILS labs use iLok protection for their full products but make the LE and player editions available dongle free, this is good marketing as it introduces potential customers to the products without hitting them with the substantial overhead of the iLok.
     

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 21:16:07 (permalink)
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    I get that $19 suddenly becomes $80 if you don't have one, but how is that Waves fault? .

    In contrast XILS labs use iLok protection for their full products but make the LE and player editions available dongle free, this is good marketing as it introduces potential customers to the products without hitting them with the substantial overhead of the iLok.
     
    A fair point, and I agree with you about that. Though a cynic might call it manipulative to have potential customers try the LE version dongle-free, but get you at the upgrade anyway. Regardless, this is a full version, albeit of a relatively cheap plug (even before their sale), so you can't really blame them. You mentioned that the only people who benefit from the ilok are the people at Waves. The Waves products have been making their ways around the illegal sharing sights since about 2004 (or earlier). Nearly every studio and every musician I've ever met has some form of Waves product in it. It's really not fair and you can't blame Waves for taking these kind of measures. I'm sure they know it is a deterrent to some and would rather not have to implement another security measure (and cost) to their products but I don't think they have a choice. NI products and Sonar are all over the internet. I applaud Cakewalk for not having a dongle but I wouldn't blame them if they did, though I know it's not infallible either.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 21:50:41 (permalink)
    the iLok is not a critical component in utilising the software. It brings zero added value to the user; its only value is to the developer

    Well said. I am amazed that the marketplace tolerates dongles at all.


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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 21:59:47 (permalink)
    The same could be said for my wife.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/05 23:51:34 (permalink)
    Thanks ole pal. I use to hate the whole concept of iLocks until I lost a raid array a while back. My iLock protected EWQL and Philharmonic ,installed on separate drives, plugs were ready to go shortly after I was finished reinstalling Windows. It took me several days to get the rest of the stuff that required online activation on line and of course I used up one of my limited installs in the process. I do think it would be in waves best interests to offer an online option but now that I've had to recover from main drive failure, I would would still use the iLock even if it was an option not a requirement. JMO.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/06 10:59:04 (permalink)
    And the Zero Down Time policy is cheap insurance if anything does happen to your dongle, its IS LIKE $30 for a years coverage,and I have several spare ILOKS in my desk drawer from other purchases , so could be up and running quickly.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/06 12:12:57 (permalink)
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    Never had a problem w/ iLok - I think there were so early problems but they have been worked out.  And the e-Licenser from Stienberg is pretty invisible too.


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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/10 17:38:45 (permalink)
    I received a Waves vocher to purchase the Musician 1 bundle for $79.....I believe the super tap delay is part of the bundle...can anyone confirm this?

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/10 17:40:42 (permalink)
    Did someone say...no-brainer?
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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/10 18:02:25 (permalink)
    Yeah someone said no brainer.....I think I "got" that...since I don't own any Waves plugs, I'm thinking the no brainer is to get this bundle instead of just the tap for $19
    If someone can confirm if the super tap is part of the Musician bundle, I would appreciate it...thanks

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/10 21:11:07 (permalink)
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    It brings zero added value to the user; its only value is to the developer
    Well said. I am amazed that the marketplace tolerates dongles at all.
    Having one dongle is ok, but if too many software items required different dongles it would become a nightmare for the user.  It's a selfish solution for any software company.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/11 03:40:26 (permalink)
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    Having one dongle is ok, but if too many software items required different dongles it would become a nightmare for the user.  It's a selfish solution for any software company.
    I am pretty sure if you have one iLok you can put many different manufactures licences on it, so that should not become a major issue. Its also the way manufactures can "justify" making you pay for the dongle.
     
    Once you have one I don't think is much of an issue. The point made on this thread was who is going to 2.5 times the cost of the software for a dongle so they can use it.

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    Re:Waves Super Tap Delay $19...Plug of the Month! 2011/10/11 07:16:52 (permalink)
    Thanks for the link.....I somehow missed it on their site

    When I bought b Pro Tools 7 years ago, it came with an ilok.......since then my ilok contains several licenses from different manufacturers

    I really want to get that delay, but for $79 I can get all 5 plugs in the bundle

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