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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 04:10:35 (permalink)
I downloaded that last v9 offline installer just in case.
https://www.waves.com/downloads/v9
 

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 09:32:41 (permalink)
Yep - stinks to high hades.  Downloading the V9 installers.  No way I'm gonna WUP for more than I paid for the plugs to begin with.  I'll consider if/when some serious discounts become available.
 
Or maybe I'll let Waves Gold go and spend my WUP $$ somewhere else.  I really love the AR Plates and the PRS GTR is pretty good too.
 

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 10:02:35 (permalink)
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I downloaded that last v9 offline installer just in case.
https://www.waves.com/downloads/v9
 



Thanks TS.
 
Not used this before but also now downloading. Presumably this would allow you to take everything back to V9 without any connection to waves central. Seems like a good insurance policy anyway.

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 10:19:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/06/12 12:07:34
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Not used this before but also now downloading. Presumably this would allow you to take everything back to V9 without any connection to waves central. Seems like a good insurance policy anyway.



The only way to use the off-line installer is with WC.

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 10:55:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ZincTrumpet 2018/06/12 12:08:40
One of the odd things about Waves and WUP was the fact that if you owned a V9 license you could install any updates to V9, even updates that shipped after your WUP had expired. 
 
Which (at least for me) made Waves whole WUP thing not quite as evil.  This any V9 updates with any V9 license policy was never all that clear and I know confused lots of people into WUPing plugins when they didn't need to. 
 
Do we know if that's still the case with V10?  When the handful of WUPed plugins I upgraded to V10 go off WUP in the next few months, will I still be able to get future V10 updates?

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 11:51:40 (permalink)
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$201 extends Gold and individuals to 2020 ... but the release show nothing exciting.
 
Maybe the incrementals along the way would be worth it.  Meh ...


Gold added 2 new plugins (800 piano + Kramer drum)




Many plugins were added since I first bought it

 



Wow !!! Nostalgia.
Do you remember how much you paid for it back then?

 
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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 12:31:32 (permalink)
re: $201 extends Gold and individuals to 2020
 
So that's gambling that Waves is going to come out with enough must have $29 specials that the $201 ends up being cost effective.
 
 

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 12:35:11 (permalink)
 

Do you remember how much you paid for it back then?



It was $1,300 Native / $2,600 TDM when Waves released it in the late 90's.
No WUP back then (and no codes...) big success tho.
These prices held for many years with lot of sales.
 
 
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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 12:41:58 (permalink)
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One of the odd things about Waves and WUP was the fact that if you owned a V9 license you could install any updates to V9, even updates that shipped after your WUP had expired. 
 
Which (at least for me) made Waves whole WUP thing not quite as evil.  This any V9 updates with any V9 license policy was never all that clear and I know confused lots of people into WUPing plugins when they didn't need to. 
 
Do we know if that's still the case with V10?  When the handful of WUPed plugins I upgraded to V10 go off WUP in the next few months, will I still be able to get future V10 updates?




re v9 that was how Waves explained it to me when I questioned them in length about WUP several years ago.
As long as you had at least one plugin with an active WUP all your plugins were covered for updates.
That probably was a necessity at the time because their installer wasn't smart enough to distinguish WUP vs nonWUP status on individual plugins. 
But their installer is now sophisticated enough to discriminate and it does. So we have a de facto policy change wrapped up in a marginal update pushed by marketing with buzz words like future proof, etc.
 
They're screwing us. 

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 12:45:43 (permalink)

Wow !!! Nostalgia.
Do you remember how much you paid for it back then?

 
Mucho dinero compared to what you can get it for now.  I was lucky to get it on sale for $350.00. IIRC it retailed for something like $600.00 & Waves rarely had sales back in the late 90's.
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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 13:28:58 (permalink)
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Just thought I'd share what I'm seeing with this. 
 
I have a pile of plugins still under WUP and a pile of plugins not under WUP.  On the Waves site I updated all the WUPed plugins licenses.  The site had a list of everything that was still under WUP, I checked them all and did the license update.  I installed the new Waves Central.  Then I transferred all the new licenses to my USB thumb drive.  Then I installed all the V10 plugins Waves Central listed for me but I declined all the offers to uninstall V9 (since it uninstalls all V9 plugins).  I did pick the option to install and update when doing the install though (strange dialog early on the install process)
 
Since I only use the VST3 versions of Wave plugins, inside Cubase 9.5 and SONAR/Bandlab (tried both) everything is pretty much what you'd expect, when I load a plugin that I have a V10 license for I get the V10 version.  When I load a plugin I have a V9 license for, I get the V9 version.  But in Reaper I see two copies of every V10 plugin.  One loads as V9 the other as V10.  In SONAR and Cubase these V9 versions are hidden.  Though SONAR/Bandlab shows the old 9.92 version number in the Browser window status bar, when it loads it is the V10 version.  But in Reaper I can actually load the V9 version of plugins I have V10 versions of.
 
If you look at the two Waves plugin dirs:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Plug-Ins V9
C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Plug-Ins V10
 
I see bundles for every plugin in both directories.  So the V9 plugins are still there, and V10 versions of plugins I don't have V10 licenses for.
 
A while back I upgraded my Gold and a few loose Ren plugins to Gold+Ren, which let me trade in those loose licenses and get a new Gold+Ren with a new WUP at a big discount.  Buying an upgrade as a way to get new plugins plus WUP (and in this case V10) may be a better deal than just paying for WUP itself.  Depending on if you have loose licenses to plugins that make up the bundle.  I'm sure there will be more upgrade/WUP games that can get the price of going to V10 cheaper. 
 
I'm really at a loss why they released V10 with not a single updated plugin.  That seems crazy.  I'm only going to WUP if I get something out of it, and right now V10 offers nothing.  Strange.




Thanks for the tip.  I had a loose Ren plug, so I was able to upgrade to Gold+RenMax for $44 instead of WUP for $201.  Now it's WUP'd for another year.
 
Now if I can just get V10 to scan ...

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 14:26:02 (permalink)
I seen this email last night. I dread even looking into this. I mean, everything is working right now. I never bought a package like gold or silver. I have maybe two dozen plugs from them.

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/12 14:55:14 (permalink)
Anyone who's afraid of updating just wait a while unless your WUP is about to expire.
I had no problems, ended up removing all previous Waves  related & registry files then re-installed WC / v10 from scratch. Tested several hours on all my daws & old projects It performing fine. Backed up to 3 hardiness, my system is now totally v10 & moving on...
 
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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/13 03:05:07 (permalink)
Don't forget to remove your V9 plugins if you're updating to V10 you should receive a message from for Waves Central to remove your V9 plugins after the installation of all V10 plugins. That's if WUP is up to date.  
 
I had to update 2 plugins that were a few months behind because they were purchased with a separate email account.  I gotta merge my plugins to one account.  Now that's gonna cost me a bit more too.....

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/25 12:57:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby KingsMix 2018/06/25 13:04:25
Just FYI - I've been dealing with some of the same confusing issues between versions 9 & 10.  I happened to let V10 install delete my V9 stuff and lost a lot of plugs.  I've since gotten everything to 10 not wanting to reinstall 9.  This helped me straighten things out and thought it might help.
 
I came across this on the Samplitude forum - someone there received this procedure from the Waves techs:
 
Doing a Clean Install -
If you have IR convolution reverb impulse files, please back up the following folders:
•C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Data\IR1Impulses

•C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Data\IR1Impulses V2
• C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Data\Acoustics.net Impulses (if exists)


First, uninstall:
1.Launch Central.
2.Go to Install > Uninstall, checkmark both boxes and click Uninstall.
3.Go to Control Panel > Programs and Features and uninstall Central.
4.Go to C:\Program Files (x86) and delete the Waves folder.

5.Press [Win key]+R, type %AppData% and hit Enter.
6.In the 'Roaming' folder that shows, drag the Waves Audio folder to your desktop.
7.Press [Win key]+R, type %LocalAppData% and hit Enter. In the window that shows, delete the Waves Audio folder.
8.Press [Win key]+R, type %ProgramData% and hit Enter. In the window that shows, delete the Waves Audio folder.

9.Delete any WaveShell files you find in the following locations (if exist):
•C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins
•C:\Program Files\Common Files\Avid\Audio\Plug-ins
•C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3
•C:\Program Files (x86)\VSTPlugins

•C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\ DigiDesign\DAE\Plug-Ins
•C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\VST3
•C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\WPAPI


Now to re-install:
1.Download the offline installer for Windows.
2.Transfer the offline installer to the offline computer.
3.Unzip the installer to your desktop, and install Waves Central.
4.Launch Waves Central and click Install Products.
5.On the left column, choose Select Offline Installer.
6.When prompted, highlight the Waves folder on your desktop and click Select folder/Open.
7.On the middle column, select the products you wish to install.
8.Click on the Install button.

***************************************
 
 
 

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/26 21:17:30 (permalink)
Great instructions Wren.
 
Thanks!
 
I would suggest all who has Waves plugins to copy this and keep in a safe place. You may need them one day!

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/26 22:37:44 (permalink)
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Just FYI - I've been dealing with some of the same confusing issues between versions 9 & 10.  I happened to let V10 install delete my V9 stuff and lost a lot of plugs.  I've since gotten everything to 10 not wanting to reinstall 9.  This helped me straighten things out and thought it might help.
 
I came across this on the Samplitude forum - someone there received this procedure from the Waves techs:
 
Doing a Clean Install -
If you have IR convolution reverb impulse files, please back up the following folders:
•C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Data\IR1Impulses

•C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Data\IR1Impulses V2
• C:\Program Files (x86)\Waves\Data\Acoustics.net Impulses (if exists)


First, uninstall:
1.Launch Central.
2.Go to Install > Uninstall, checkmark both boxes and click Uninstall.
3.Go to Control Panel > Programs and Features and uninstall Central.
4.Go to C:\Program Files (x86) and delete the Waves folder.

5.Press [Win key]+R, type %AppData% and hit Enter.
6.In the 'Roaming' folder that shows, drag the Waves Audio folder to your desktop.
7.Press [Win key]+R, type %LocalAppData% and hit Enter. In the window that shows, delete the Waves Audio folder.
8.Press [Win key]+R, type %ProgramData% and hit Enter. In the window that shows, delete the Waves Audio folder.

9.Delete any WaveShell files you find in the following locations (if exist):
•C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins
•C:\Program Files\Common Files\Avid\Audio\Plug-ins
•C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3
•C:\Program Files (x86)\VSTPlugins

•C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\ DigiDesign\DAE\Plug-Ins
•C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\VST3
•C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\WPAPI


Now to re-install:
1.Download the offline installer for Windows.
2.Transfer the offline installer to the offline computer.
3.Unzip the installer to your desktop, and install Waves Central.
4.Launch Waves Central and click Install Products.
5.On the left column, choose Select Offline Installer.
6.When prompted, highlight the Waves folder on your desktop and click Select folder/Open.
7.On the middle column, select the products you wish to install.
8.Click on the Install button.

***************************************
 
 
 




Thanks - got my copy!

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Re: Waves V10 2018/06/27 01:20:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2018/06/27 05:16:40
Bob hit the nail on the head. New version 10 with no changes. Not even new GUI for the IR-1? Now why am I spending my money?

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Re: Waves V10 2018/07/01 20:18:08 (permalink)
Apparently Waves have added an organizer for those who want to mix v9 and v10 plugins: https://www.waves.com/sup...-after-updating-to-v10

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