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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2018/06/08 14:05:06
You can own Platinum after 24 months of paying $49 for a total of $1176. Platinum is on sale right now at EP for $507.94. This is how people that have the least end up paying the most. Rocky
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 13:44:45
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They call "subscription" what Cakewalk was calling "membership" For Platinum I remember "super deal" last year - $136...
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 13:54:55
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I remember forum moderators calling people out for them using the word 'subscription' when describing the new 'membership'. Water under the bridge now. But we can definitely see a trend that was started by Cakewalk in the audio industry: Rent-to-Own! $149 per month for Mercury!! Yikes! Just for reference, that's $3576. In case anybody wanted to know!
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 14:47:53
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This marketing angle seems to be aimed at the "math challenged". It will only cost you $25.50 or so a month to go on the "One Plugin A Month Until I have All The Plugins I want/Need" plan. I was on that sucker for over a year and didn't even know it.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 14:58:03
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Grem But we can definitely see a trend that was started by Cakewalk in the audio industry: Rent-to-Own!
In no way did Cakewalk start that trend - lots of DAWs have been doing it for some time - Lots internet based CAT tools have been doing it for years - lots of virtual instruments have been doing it for as long. I don't think it's a business model that has legs - I know of at least one CAT translation tool that went from Free to Rent, and then lost all its subscribers. The maths-heads may think it makes sense, but not everyone likes being tied into a monthly payment plan....makes creativity feel like car insurance.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 15:57:32
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I never saw any other DAW offer a subscription/membership/rent-to-own plan before CW did it. I may be wrong. I don't get out much. ; ) Also, I pointed out that I was talking about in the AUDIO Industry, not all of computing software.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 16:15:56
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 18:10:26
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They've had a subscription plan for some time.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/07 23:56:05
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/08 13:06:19
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/08 14:07:00
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/08 15:41:56
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Jesse G If they waited for each plugin to go on sale for $29 and then got them from everyplugin.com, they would make out better, LOL
Even better with bundles. Gold has been had for $100ish, the upgrade from Gold to Platinum has been below $100. That's 50 (mostly $29) plugins at $2 each. Rocky
Yep. This "plan" is a bad deal unless you just want to try them out. But demos are free so it still doesn't make any sense. Dan
Not to us. But evidently, someone is buying. With all these subscription/rent-to-own plans out there, has to be a reason we just don't see. I ain't buying the subscription plan. I ain't buying no more unless it's the new $29 deal. I have bought some of the newly introduced stuff at 'intro' prices only to see it offered for $29 maybe a month or two later. Like the Shepps Omni Channel. Paid I think $49 for that when it came out thinking it was really good and no way would it go on sale for $29. We all know how wrong I was on that! So I passed on a few of them like Brauer Motion, Torque, and the F6 EQ, Smack Attack. Hoping they would go on the $29 sale. Sure enough, they did. Like the rest of ya'll, I don't see any benefit in the subscription model. But because they are offering it (like many others), means somebody is buying it!!
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/08 16:19:42
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Jesse G If they waited for each plugin to go on sale for $29 and then got them from everyplugin.com, they would make out better, LOL
Even better with bundles. Gold has been had for $100ish, the upgrade from Gold to Platinum has been below $100. That's 50 (mostly $29) plugins at $2 each. Rocky
Yep. This "plan" is a bad deal unless you just want to try them out. But demos are free so it still doesn't make any sense. Dan
Not to us. But evidently, someone is buying. With all these subscription/rent-to-own plans out there, has to be a reason we just don't see. I ain't buying the subscription plan. I ain't buying no more unless it's the new $29 deal. I have bought some of the newly introduced stuff at 'intro' prices only to see it offered for $29 maybe a month or two later. Like the Shepps Omni Channel. Paid I think $49 for that when it came out thinking it was really good and no way would it go on sale for $29. We all know how wrong I was on that! So I passed on a few of them like Brauer Motion, Torque, and the F6 EQ, Smack Attack. Hoping they would go on the $29 sale. Sure enough, they did. Like the rest of ya'll, I don't see any benefit in the subscription model. But because they are offering it (like many others), means somebody is buying it!!
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/08 20:54:13
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Jesse G If they waited for each plugin to go on sale for $29 and then got them from everyplugin.com, they would make out better, LOL
Even better with bundles. Gold has been had for $100ish, the upgrade from Gold to Platinum has been below $100. That's 50 (mostly $29) plugins at $2 each. Rocky
Yep. This "plan" is a bad deal unless you just want to try them out. But demos are free so it still doesn't make any sense. Dan
Not to us. But evidently, someone is buying. With all these subscription/rent-to-own plans out there, has to be a reason we just don't see. I ain't buying the subscription plan. I ain't buying no more unless it's the new $29 deal. I have bought some of the newly introduced stuff at 'intro' prices only to see it offered for $29 maybe a month or two later. Like the Shepps Omni Channel. Paid I think $49 for that when it came out thinking it was really good and no way would it go on sale for $29. We all know how wrong I was on that! So I passed on a few of them like Brauer Motion, Torque, and the F6 EQ, Smack Attack. Hoping they would go on the $29 sale. Sure enough, they did. Like the rest of ya'll, I don't see any benefit in the subscription model. But because they are offering it (like many others), means somebody is buying it!!
I'm with you Michael, but autos, homes, furniture and appliances have been sold to folks focused more on "how much a month" than the total price for decades.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/09 23:38:35
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/10 03:43:32
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Grem I remember forum moderators calling people out for them using the word 'subscription' when describing the new 'membership'.
The protestations seemed tragically comical, in a mostly tragic sort of way. Section 2 paragraph b) of the CAKEWALK, INC. LICENSE AGREEMENT REV 01.2015 "b) Cancellation. Licensee is under no obligation to continue the subscription and may..."
lol . . . good find. Yeah it always was a subscription which ever way you cut it, many jolly moments were had watching the faithful and their knee jerk reactions as they sprung forth to try and defend the undefendable . . . Good times
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/10 07:00:24
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I was rong?
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/10 07:49:25
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With regards the Waves Subscription It's not a Subscription . . . it's 'Rent To Own'!! ( Sound familiar) Copyright Wibbles
post edited by Matron Landslide - 2018/06/10 08:47:57
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/10 08:02:23
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I guess one thing you can say about Waves, they called it what it was, they didn't try to obfuscate the facts over and over and over . . .
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/10 15:53:03
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Matron Landslide I guess one thing you can say about Waves, they called it what it was, they didn't try to obfuscate the facts over and over and over . . .
With regards the Waves Subscription It's not a Subscription . . . it's 'Rent To Own'!! (Sound familiar) Copyright Wibbles
Matron, I know the Studio One forums are as dead as disco so you'd get no audience there, but your constant CW trolling here is aimed at the wrong company. The company you feel wronged by, Gibson, is gone (Well, for all intents and purposes). Why not take your rants over to KVR where you'll at least be somewhat appreciated?
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 06:28:45
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I didn't know about the EP site. I'm grateful you guys mentioned it.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 08:47:40
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I am still waiting for Waves dropping their odd Waves shell technology. I really don't like such exotic concepts that obscure the plugin installations and not least slow down project loading (plugin loading) and plugin scanning. Marc
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Grem
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 11:43:29
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I agree about the Waves Shell.
It does allow for easy saving of presets across all of their plugins. And I am guessing that it helps in support across platforms. And of course it helps facilitate their licenses.
I don't think they are going to get rid of the WaveShell anytime soon. But I wish they would allow a choice when they do install. Like I only want vst3 plugs. Not all the other stuff for other daws installed.
CbB is the slowest scanning plugins. Reaper ain't that speedy either. SO3 is really fast for scanning plugins.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 12:06:20
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Grem
CbB is the slowest scanning plugins. Reaper ain't that speedy either. SO3 is really fast for scanning plugins.
My experience as well. However, I added Abbey Plates during the $29 sale. SO4 didn't pick it up until I went to browser>home>Update Plug-ins. THEN it gave a message that Waveshellblahblahblah would be re-scanned on next startup of SO. Other plugs I've added have been picked up automatically on startup without that step.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 12:13:51
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Maybe that's the reason SO can scan so fast. It's not looking for new stuff. Just the stuff it knows about.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 12:56:42
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Grem Maybe that's the reason SO can scan so fast. It's not looking for new stuff. Just the stuff it knows about.
It has found other VSTs without the extra step. It appears to me that they're treating Waves differently.
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Re: Waves subscription plans announced
2018/06/11 13:18:51
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Oh, I see what your saying Bob. I think that they all have to treat Waves differently because of the "shell".
I know that if I start CbB without my license on the machine, then a few days later when I go to start it again and the Waves license are on it, it will scan every Waves plugin again. All vst2, vst3, 32 & 64bit. And I got quite a few Waves plugins and it really becomes a PITA.
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