Weirdest problem I ever saw...besides ME. LOL! *SOLVED*

Hi guys,
 
I posted this in the 8.5 forum for some odd reason (thanks Tim lol) and got a little help from Jonesey, bitflipper and Tim. I figured I'd post it here in case any of you have any ideas for me. I'll post the question as well as the answers from the others so you'll be up to snuff.
 
Danny: I got the weirdest problem all of a sudden and for the life of me can't figure this one out.

I have a project running in X1. It plays great, everything is perfect...no crashes, no weird anomalies.

The weird part is, when I try to export the audio, my piano and my strings will not export. They are physically playing in the projec and sent to the master bus. When I export the project, everything plays in the file except my piano and my strings.

Ever seen anything like this? I've checked everything I can think of and this just will not export with those two instruments in the song. Yet if I export them individually, they export. They just will not export in this project.

I tried to freeze them and then bounced...no dice. They play in the project but just won't export. I'm using the Cakewalk SI strings and 2 versions of Kontakt. The one with the piano won't export in the song, yet the one I'm using for some special effects exports.

What am I missing? I gotta export this mix for a client and should have been done an hour ago. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
 
 
 
Danny: Quick update...this is so weird! If I export the project anywhere but from the very beginning, the strings and piano are in the export. They just won't trigger from the beggining while exporting...yet they play in the project from start to finish. I'm out of ideas.
 
 
 
Jonesey: Hmm.

Not sure what to say Danny - I know you won't be guilty of the usual stuff, like routing/export options/selection range etc.

The only thing I can suggest is a workaround for your client.

If they export individually ok, and the rest of the mix also exports ok, why not just combine the 2 in another project?

Are they set up as split Midi/Audio or Simple Instrument Tracks?
Whichever it is, set it to the other option & try again.

What happens if you do an audible bounce?
 
 
 
bitflipper: Try doing a slip-edit on the front of those MIDI tracks, moving the "start" forward in time up to just before the first notes in the tracks.
 
 
 
Danny: Thanks Jonesey and bit. Not sure what the deal with this is. I never in my life saw anything like it. Yeah all the usual stuff is accounted for Jonesey. I went over everything as carefully as possible there. I'm using instrument tracks.

Bit: That was already done as I always keep my projects clean and slip edited to get rid of space. I don't know how the thing works in the project and doesn't export. I even tried that "what you hear" preset as well as audible bounce and it still didn't work. However, if I export right in the middle of the project, they show up every time. It's so weird! Freeze didn't work, a new AUD.ini didn't work but bounce to tracks did. There's something goofy on the outputs of those synths somewhere but for the life of me I can't find it. I figured if freeze didn't work, bounce to tracks wouldn't...but it did.

I even tried to recreate the synth and tried "replace" with the same synth. Still no dice. Something may have gotten corrupt somewhere...but this is definitely something I never encountered before. Ok wait...I did sort of come across something similar....you guys may be able to help me remember. LOL!

Years ago I had a client send me a project with a drum track that would not play unless you turned the enable/disable button off and on while project was playing. This would get you one pass through and then you'd have to do it again to hear the drums.

I sent the project to Willy Jones and he said he had to mess with midi filters to remedy the problem. I don't remember exactly what he did because it was so long ago. He also fixed it for me and sent me the cwp. of the project so I never actually fixed it myself. But this was a similar problem. Could any of this have to do with midi filter assignments? If so, which ones?

Thanks guys, really appreciate this. At least I got the thing working...but I would still rather not have to bounce those two tracks. Tim asked what types of tracks were created for the synths The tracks are midi VSTi instrument tracks. You know, the all in one that gives you tabs for midi and audio at the bottm left of inspector. Thanks again.
 
-Danny

I've had this happen a few times.  I re-instanced the offending synths to fix it but I never found the cause.

Danny

Ive had it with SD3 lots until I figured out my prob

How are you selecting the tracks and exporting them?

For me to get around the intermittent problem of things NOT exporting (Sometimes they would, sometimes maybe 1 or 2 tracks might, etc...)

I make sure I select all tracks by Dragging down the Track Numbers in Track View

Then when exporting I make sure the "ALL" is selected when doing Wave Files.

Just curious on your process


My Previous problematic way of doing it was to unselect all or Lasso all tracks/clips and then export.  Worked fine for Audio Tracks but midi, soft synths were all over the place and never knew if they would go or not

I think the SIT might be the cause. They definitely have some strange behaviour sometimes.

The only other thing that springs to mind is that you have a MIDI CC perhaps #7 at the very front of the MIDI tracks that for some reason isn't being read at playback but is at export. I think that's probably stabbing in the dark a bit though.

Danny Danzi
 
Gustabo: thanks...tried that, no luck. Incidentally, what are you using for humanizing? 
 

Frank's Midi Plugins - humanize

bapu


Oh man. I helped Danny Danzi? Now we know the world has turned upside down and is also spinning off it's axis.

And I thought it was something that I drank last night!
 

Way to go!!!

In my 18 months of Sonar DAW/computer use,Iv'e used "simple instrument tracks" for an export,with no problem,in fact its how I export my SSD4 drums always,so I hope this weirdness doesn't start happening,but threads like this can be very educational,though when you guys start talking "controller no's" thats where I have ZERO idea.....anyway,glad you got it sorted Danny
Bob

Why did everything just fly up and land on the ceiling??

Thanks for the explanation Danny,I certainly have to look into how MIDI works more thoroughly,so I can work out problems,as they will no doubt erupt when I least expect it!
Cheers
Bob

Just for the record, Simple Instrument Tracks do not work at all for me.

If Cakewalk ever does away with the old folder and seperate audio midi track for soft synths I'm screwed.

Danny Danzi


Kev, do you see this with X2? It's fine for me in X2...but in X1, it seems to be broken and I have to use the old way...one midi track, one audio track with the synth inserted in the audio effects bin.

-Danny

Hi Danny,
Yep I'm using X2. I didn't use Sonar X1 because I jumped from Sonar 8.5.3 to Sonar X2.  I got in on the upgrade offer of getting Sonar X2 for free.
 
I never did use Sonar X1 even though it's installed.  Sonar X2 has been very stable other than a few annoyances I am able to get my work done mostly without having to think about the DAW.  I really like X2.  Just hope they get the buggies worked out.
 
I gave instrument tracks a try because I *thought* it would tidy up the TV since that is where I spend 99% of my time and quickly dumped the idea because I could not get them to put out sound even when trying to play a synth.  I fiddled with them trying this that and the other thing and could not get them to work so I finally dumped the idea of using them.
 
It was really annoying because everything was routed to where it was supposed to go and nothin...
 
No big deal since I've worked with the separate audio midi track since Sonar 2XL.
 
Like I said I hope CW doesn't take the old way away...
 
Btw, Noel hinted that the first update was going to be a big one with some new and/or improved features...
 
I would be super de duperly happy if they just get the current ones working.