Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs)

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Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs)

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I have project file on my laptop,
I recoded on another system and created a CWB, moved it to my laptop, opened then saved and closed it.
I then opened the laptop project and imported 6 new wav file into this project from then other CWB project.
I can save and open this project and I can save it as a CWB but when I open it many Wav files are corrupted.
The new extracted project is missing audio on serval tracks and others tracks have turned from stereo to mono tracks.
 
Also it looks like with this update, my Audio files are not being saved within the relevant projects Audio directory! Where are they?
Are these issues related to the CWB problem?
 

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    Cactus Music
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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/30 14:10:17 (permalink)
    Why are you using CWB?  
    Just use per project folders and copy the folders. CWB sometimes have caused issues resulting in threads like this one. 
     
    I just started using One Drive to share my folders between my DAW and my Laptop
    Easy
    Save the project
    Then do "save as" and put it in one drive. 
    Now I can go open that file on my Laptop work on it, and then save it back to one drive. 
    If there is audio make sure you check the "copy audio with project' box when using "save as" 

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/30 15:33:56 (permalink)
    I use CWB because that's how "Sonar" packages Projects...
    I use CWB because that's part of the features that I paid for as part of Sonar, That I've been using with Sonar for many years.
     
    I don't want a work a round that turns a simple "save as" into a processes of "hunting and gathering". lol
    I want SPlat to work as intended. i'e. "Creating a package of my project"
     
    If there is a known bug perhaps it should be fixed... 
     
     

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/30 18:51:29 (permalink)
    CWB files have been known to have issues , very rare these day's but over time I've seen this  thread  topic appear where projects saved as a CWB became corrupted.  You wanted to know why your files became corrupted, I gave you my best guess. 
     
    Sorry but a folder is a package and what's so hard about using pre project folders? What so hard about copying a folder to a second drive or cloud storage?  
     
    Also your missing audio- check your file paths in preferences. 
    And are you checking the "copy Audio" option when saving? 
    If you don't audio can end up orphaned. 

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 01:04:32 (permalink)
    I don't know? why do you have your monitors in the corner of the room when everyone else knows that you get bass build up so your mix will always sound baseless? lol ;)
    Why do you feel the need to ramble on about an issues when you clearly have no relevant contribution to make about a real BUG, a Real issue! All are silent! lol
    All you offer is a work around that frankly wont work for me because I use layers of saves within one directory (and as you know one Audio directory per project) because SPalt is so unreliable that it's the safest way to deal with unforeseen issues like this CWB issues as only one of MANY problems! At least with the CWB (when it works 99.9%) is the safest way to archive and transfer my projects. I lost nothing! I just had to back up and find out where SPlat caused the problem. then move forward from there! 
    For me I would have to stop and create a new project dir at least 6 times a day!
    I want this one thing to work so at least I can protect my work when all other thing SPlat FAIL! and they doooo hourly! lol 
     
    As it is now NO ONE from Cakewalk has said a word! No it all forum monitors have said a word!
    We all now know this is a bug! and something that you admit has been ongoing!
     
    peace!
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 01:46:24 (permalink)
    if you have a repeatable recipe for a bug I'm fairly confident cakewalk will address it. Other than that bundle files work fine for me. I don't use them as much as I did in the past. But I do wonder what you did to screw it up? :-)
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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 01:50:18 (permalink)
    Well, I have CWB files opening here just fine, I actually opened one from a CD from 2002 just last night.
     
    This being a peer to peer forum, I don't think you should expect Cakewalk to come here and address this "bug" you've found. There's lots of folks here that can help, we just need a little more info, perhaps some system specs for starters. I'm not clear on your statement "I then opened the laptop project and imported 6 new wav file into this project from then other CWB project."
     
    Are the wave files actually corrupted, or is it just that Sonar cannot locate them now ?
    If you're not using the "per project" folder feature, then the wave files should have gone into your generic "Audio Data" folder. The reason your system specs would help is that I'm wondering what type of drive you were saving the bundle files to, and how much memory your system has. 

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 03:16:53 (permalink)
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    Well, I have CWB files opening here just fine, I actually opened one from a CD from 2002 just last night.
     
    This being a peer to peer forum, I don't think you should expect Cakewalk to come here and address this "bug" you've found. There's lots of folks here that can help, we just need a little more info, perhaps some system specs for starters. I'm not clear on your statement "I then opened the laptop project and imported 6 new wav file into this project from then other CWB project."
     
    Are the wave files actually corrupted, or is it just that Sonar cannot locate them now ?
    If you're not using the "per project" folder feature, then the wave files should have gone into your generic "Audio Data" folder. The reason your system specs would help is that I'm wondering what type of drive you were saving the bundle files to, and how much memory your system has. 


    You have over 1000 posts! You know how this forum works! lol If Cakewalk thought I was wrong I would have heard from them here for all the world to see! OR at the least a Scook! Silence in this forum means they all know and have nothing helpful or relevant to say! lol Unlike you who posted as unreverent. You haven't even had this problem so you have no reference help to offer to resolve it!
    If you read other posts you will see that this is a well known bug and has been for a long time!

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 03:17:40 (permalink)
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    if you have a repeatable recipe for a bug I'm fairly confident cakewalk will address it. Other than that bundle files work fine for me. I don't use them as much as I did in the past. But I do wonder what you did to screw it up? :-)


    It's a well know bug as you can see in the Cactus post!

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 17:33:27 (permalink)
    I'm no expert on CWB as I have never needed to use them as I say I've always used containment folders since day one just like I do for all my documents and files. 
    I like the way someone described it to me back in the very begining of me using a PC.  
    Not creating folders is like tossing all your files in a filing cabinet in a big heap, good luck finding your files. 
    To expect any software to manage your files in a orderly manner ain't going to happen. It's up to you to file stuff where you want it so you can find it. 
     
    I see the concept of bundles but what scares me is the possiblty of data being screwed up because it is being compressed or?? 
    I sort of like my Wave files kept unaltered. To me using a bundle is like coverting your audio to a MP3 or something. 
    I could be wrong but that was my understanding. 
     
     
     

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 18:48:45 (permalink)
    Cactus Music
    I'm no expert on CWB as I have never needed to use them as I say I've always used containment folders since day one just like I do for all my documents and files. 
    I like the way someone described it to me back in the very begining of me using a PC.  
    Not creating folders is like tossing all your files in a filing cabinet in a big heap, good luck finding your files. 
    To expect any software to manage your files in a orderly manner ain't going to happen. It's up to you to file stuff where you want it so you can find it. 
     
    I see the concept of bundles but what scares me is the possiblty of data being screwed up because it is being compressed or?? 
    I sort of like my Wave files kept unaltered. To me using a bundle is like coverting your audio to a MP3 or something. 
    I could be wrong but that was my understanding. 
     
     
     


    Well regardless of your File organization skills, SPlat creates a file folder for your project but as I said if you are doing many saves within that folder you still only have one Audio File folder. To bypass this manually ever time I created a new copy of a projects for my save point... there are SO many things that would have to go into this that's it's crazy to even think about it. 
    All mute at this point!
     
    I know how to solved the problem, I know how to fix the problem and I know how to avoid the problem! 
     
    Carry on Cakewalk Forum... Thanks for all the help! :)
     
    Peace!
     
    Peace!
     
    PS. The CWB is not a compressed file.

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/10/31 19:07:00 (permalink)
    OK I now see what your doing. 
    but , "save as" to a new location outside the original folder does the same thing if you check the copy audio box. 
    It will only copy the audio used in that version if you delete the unwanted audio tracks.. I just did this and checked. 
    So to me the same idea as using a bundle. 
     
    If it doesn't compress then how does a 164 MB CWP file folder now becomes a 32 MB CWB file folder 
    I just opened the bundle I made to try this and the audio tracks are all geyed out and don't play,, definatly some weird bug. 
    It made an audio folder in a totally new folder outside the one I had, named it and inside is just an empty audio folder??

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/11/01 02:22:05 (permalink)
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    Well, I have CWB files opening here just fine, I actually opened one from a CD from 2002 just last night.
     
    This being a peer to peer forum, I don't think you should expect Cakewalk to come here and address this "bug" you've found. There's lots of folks here that can help, we just need a little more info, perhaps some system specs for starters. I'm not clear on your statement "I then opened the laptop project and imported 6 new wav file into this project from then other CWB project."
     
    Are the wave files actually corrupted, or is it just that Sonar cannot locate them now ?
    If you're not using the "per project" folder feature, then the wave files should have gone into your generic "Audio Data" folder. The reason your system specs would help is that I'm wondering what type of drive you were saving the bundle files to, and how much memory your system has. 


    You have over 1000 posts! You know how this forum works! lol If Cakewalk thought I was wrong I would have heard from them here for all the world to see! OR at the least a Scook! Silence in this forum means they all know and have nothing helpful or relevant to say! lol Unlike you who posted as unreverent. You haven't even had this problem so you have no reference help to offer to resolve it!
    If you read other posts you will see that this is a well known bug and has been for a long time!


    Unreverent is not a word, if you mean irreverent, then no disrespect was meant towards you.
    If I were irreverent, then I would certainly not be here trying to help you.
     
    I tested using the following instructions from the Cakewalk manual and could not reproduce what you're finding, based on your saying you don't use per-project audio folders. Again, not trying to prove you wrong, I'm just wondering if you're using Cakewalk Bundle files in a way that was never intended to be used, or simply will not work. (in that case then maybe the manual needs to be updated ?)
     
    When opening a Cakewalk Bundle file, SONAR will “unpack” the embedded audio data and save it to a new audio folder on your computer. To unpack a bundle file
    1. Choose File > Open to display the Open dialog box.
    2. Choose a file with a .cwb extension.
    3. Click Open.
       If you have the Use Per-project Audio Folders option enabled in Edit > Preferences > File - Audio Data,
       the Unpack Bundle dialog box appears. If this option is not enabled, the bundle file opens and all audio data
       is stored in the Global Audio Folder.
    4. If you want to store the project in its own folder do the following in the Unpack Bundle dialog:
       Enter a project filename in the Project Name field.
       Use the Browse button to the right of the Location field to select a destination folder for the project, or to
       create a new folder, enter a new folder pathname in the Location field.
       Use the Browse button to the right of the Audio Path field to select a destination folder for the project’s
       audio data, or to create a new folder, enter a new folder pathname in the Audio Path field.
    OR
       If you want to store the project in the Cakewalk Projects folder, and its audio in the Global Audio Folder, clear
       the Store Project Audio in its Own Folder check box.
    5. Click OK.
     
    Consolidate Project Audio
    If your project references audio from multiple folders, for example you have a
    library of loops that you share between several projects, you can gather all the
    audio for your project into a single folder using the Consolidate Project Audio
    command. The Consolidate Project Audio command copies every audio file your
    project references into a backup folder beneath the projects audio data folder.
    Creating a copy of all your project’s audio may take a lot of disk space.
    Allows you to create a complete backup
    of all project audio even if the audio is in
    multiple locations. Creates a new folder
    which you can move or delete without
    fear of losing the original audio files.
     
     
    post edited by noynekker - 2017/11/01 02:44:30

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    Re: Well it must be Monday Morning... Can't save CWB (Corrupted wavs) 2017/11/01 03:42:02 (permalink)
    I beg your paaaardon... lol Unrelevant is mid evil Latin!
    Hum? I only used the help area and that was no help... but you know? I've never seen this help doc but have opened hundreds of CWB file for like the last 10 years, version to version without issues.   
    But as I said in my last post here... I have solved the problem, how to diagnose and fix it pre saving as a CWB file. There is more then one situation that will create this issue within normal operation... I still have one more test to run, that I have known for a log time creates this problem and have avoided it. . . you may be able to google it find it here. 
     
    peace.  :)
     

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