What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without?

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2011/12/11 14:18:24 (permalink)

What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without?

I am really just getting into much in the way of aftermarket plugs/software so I figured I would ask what are your favorites that you would hate to be with out?  You know,the ones you would run out and buy 1st if you had to start over?  
  For instance, I found easy drummer a HUGE improvement over session drummer for running my V drums through. It would drive me crazy to go back to session drummer... 
 

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 14:57:08 (permalink)
    EZ Drummer. A must for me. Easily my biggest must-have.
    MixIR - an multi-impulses loader by RedWirez and their cabinet/room impulses.

    IK's Ampeg SVX.

    Redline Monitor: Essential for me on the road, as I often have to rely on headphones 

    These are my 4 MUST-HAVE. For the rest, I'm happy w/ my bundled plug-ins 90% of the time, but I consider the following as almost essential additions.

    Valhalla Room - When I need an algorithm-based reverb that needs to stand out a bit more. Wouldn't be a problem w/ Sonar, but Logic's own reverbs are not as good to my hears.

    Kontakt/Scarbee bass.


    Not essential but on the top of my If-I-has-that-kind-of-money wishlist: SSL Duende. But I do just fine w/o them, and I take a certain pride in that.
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 15:02:54 (permalink)
    Having recently had to rebuild my DAW I can answer that...
    UAD - I have many, want ALL of them!
    Waves - I have the Native Gold Bundle, and am quite happy with it.
    PSP - all their delays are awesome! Their Lexi 42 emulation is spot on.
    Sony - their Noise Reduction plug-in is wonderful.
    Voxengo - only have a few of theirs - Crunchessor stands out - will add more when I can.
    Kjaerhus Golden Series - can't get it anymore, so I have those backed up six ways!
    Jamstix & Toontrack Superior - I think this is the ultimate combination for creating realistic drum tracks.
    NI Komplete - I use Kontakt on almost every project, I use a lot of the other synths less fequently, but I do enjoy using them.
    Audio Alchemy Chameleon & AAS Tasman - the two most enjoyable-to-program synthesizers out there.
    I'm still looking for an amplifier emulator, I've tried Amplitube and Guitar Rig, and they are OK. I love dB Audioware Flying Haggis - it does what it does well, but it doesn't cover a ton of territory. The Line6 stuff is better than average, but a nuisance to work with. I also use my Adrennalinn a lot... but that's hardware - at which point I often go ahead and hang microphone!!
    Izotope Restoration Bundle - demo'd it this past fall, haven't figured out how to pay for it yet, but first job that requires it will be the time to do so!
    And while not plug-ins... I really could not do much without Sonar, Sound Forge, and Wavelab!

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 15:17:50 (permalink)
    Ok, to get more specific would you guys mind explaining what your choices are(great amp emulation, reverbs, eq's etc) and what you use them for/on (for guitars, drums, vocals, mastering etc...)?  
    It occurs to me I could spend hours trying to figure out what all of these are, and if it's something I might use in my situation...
    **Sorry, I should have asked that in the OP**

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 15:19:30 (permalink)
    Fabfilter Pro Bundle (EQ, Compressor,Gate, Limiter)

    DMG Audio Compassion (very versatile compressor)
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 15:45:13 (permalink)

    EZ Drummer - as you're familiar with it, let's just say that for me it makes creating basic yet great sounding drums patterns for songs a breeze. I can't tell you how much time I've spent in the pas assembling drum parts from scratch. EZ Drummer allows me to focus on the song. I can then get back to it later and fine tune the midi drums or have a real drum recorded.

    MixIR - I use in conjunction w/ my POD's direct out. The POD can sound a bit dull and retro on it's own. I think Line 6 wanted to avoid "harshness" but somehow sacrificed the high ends. It sounds a bit muffled, which is good if you're after that retro type of sound but doesn't really work in a more modern-sounding mix. Enters MixIR, which lets you load multiple cabinet impulses at a time, and mix them. Each cabinet impulses set comes w/ hundreds of different impulses, various mics and mic placements and ambient mics. Combining these gets you as close as you'll get to a mic'ed cabinet. You can almost hear the air moving around the cab... Guitar tones is where I spent the bulk of my time testing when I had to move to a portable solution. POD + Impulses is the best solution I've found.

    Ampeg SVX - Just makes it so easy to shape the bass sound, give it that extra weight and get it to properly sit in the mix.

    Valhalla Room - When I need an algorithm-based reverb that needs to stand out a bit more. Wouldn't be a problem w/ Sonar, but Logic's own reverbs are not as good to my hears.

    Kontakt/Scarbee bass. Bass library. The actual PBass sound doesn't always work, but I still use that particular library in almost every song, even if just for the noises. I may end up using one of the bass sound that came bundled w/ my sampler but I'll duplicate the track, send it through Kontakt, put a hi pass, and compress so that I effectively get rid of the actual bass line but keep all those little noises and pick up hits which make the bass track come to life. It's then just a matter of blending that w/ the actual bass line.










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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 16:36:14 (permalink)
    Ozone: mastering and eq in the tracks and busses

    Melodyne: pitch correction

    Jamstix: intelligent drums

    Instrument synths: kontakt/komplete ,  MIroslav, GPO,  EWQL...all for creating sounds. 



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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 17:12:41 (permalink)
    Kontakt if only because so many libraries rely on it. It is sort of a must have it seems these days. I am not a huge fan of many of the libraries that Komplete comes with but the Scarbee electric pianos are pretty good if you play around with them. The Abbey Road drums that shipped as a special add-on when I got Kontakt is really really nice also.
     
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 17:39:05 (permalink)
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    Melodyne: pitch correction


    I don't miss the ones I left behind. What I have I use and know. 

     
    I might check that out.  When I personally find that my vocal is a little is a little pitchy I re-record it but wih the other guys in the group they are often not around so I have turned to V Vocal for minor fixes though with rock vocals th grit in a growly kind of track can throw it off and it makes in nearly impossible for me to find whre it should be when the lines look like they are jumping all over the place.  Is this any better for that sort of thing?
     
    I hear ya, I am sure you could easily end up with a ton of useless crap in your daw that you never use.


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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 18:04:19 (permalink)
    Alchemy for sure - it is a go to synth for VA and design.

    Vox elephant and curve EQ for use as mastering.

    If I had it to do over again I'd probably go for the RND/STeinberg Portico comp rather than a bunch of cheaper ones.  The EQ is not better (or much) than Cake's PC, but the comp strikes a nice balance between complexity and control, and just sounds great.

    Nomad's Blue Tubes Effects pack - some really good if older sounding delays etc.  I find I usually use one on every song.

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 19:43:35 (permalink)
    See my list here

    I may not use all of them all the time, but all are equally important.

    But if I had to choose 5

    Superior Drummer (with all SDX's and EZXs)
    Steven Slate FG-X
    UAD Helios
    UAD EMT 140
    Nomad Factory MAGNETIC/UAD Studer (this is a tie as for me they are interchangable)

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/11 22:51:48 (permalink)
    While I have several software favorites...really too many to mention in a short list tho I have come to three realizations:

    1}        For almost every compression, eq, limiting, gating, filtering and delaying need...if I had it to do all over again and was on a forced, limited budget...I'd just get the total FabFilter plugs package...the best...bar none.

    2}        Bapu still doesn't own these.

    3}        But why limit yourself to only one set of plugs...they all sound so different and are so shiny and purty??





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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/12 00:06:07 (permalink)
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    2}        Bapu still doesn't own these.

    Why don't you just triple-dog-dare me, huh?
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/12 00:27:29 (permalink)
      No need to limit yourself Olepal.  My point behind starting this thread was to maybe prioritize some of these tools in some kind of order of which are really most valuable to experienced end users in real world studio/home project studio use.   From the looks of it, everyone is giving some really great replies and explanations and I thank you all for that. 
       This could potentially be one of those threads that sticks around a while and keeps getting added to, eventually I assume patterns and the names of certain plugs (the best of the best) will keep popping up.
    This can really help not just me but anyone like me who is entering this area of the market to make better decisions more useful purchases up front.  This would avoid what Guitarhacker went through buying a ton of stuff he never uses because some tools are just better than others.
        With that in mind, I thank everybody again for their input and for future posts thanks in advance!

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/12 00:48:44 (permalink)
    What 3rd-party tool couldn't I do without? None! I know this because I remember a time before I had any, and yet still managed to make music without them.

    Still, there are a few that I'd be extremely reluctant to part with:

    Voxengo SPAN, because it's just so useful. I put it on tracks, I put it on busses. I use the mastering mode on vocals as well as on the master bus. I use it for K-metering. I use it even when Pro-Q is in the chain, because the two visual displays compliment one another perfectly. I'd be reluctant to part with it because anything else that does what it does is expensive.

    FabFilter Pro-Q, because it's just so ergonomically friendly. I can dial in corrections much faster with it than with any other equalizer I've used. I wouldn't want to part with it because tweaking track EQs is boring and I like to get it done and move on.

    FabFilter Pro-C, because it's the most versatile compressor I've ever used. It's got almost every feature you could ever ask for in a compressor. The visual feedback makes dialing in thresholds and ratios fast and accurate. I wouldn't want to part with it because I'd have to revert to using 4 or 5 different compressors in its place.

    Kjaerhus Classic Compressor, because it does one job that Pro-C doesn't handle as well: vocal track leveling. Won't part with it because it does this one job better than any other compressor I've ever tried, plus it's sufficiently CPU-efficient that I can stick it on every vocal track.

    Ozone, because it simplifies limiting, and also because I like the harmonic exciter and multiband compressor. I wouldn't want to part with it because then I'd have to buy FabFilter Pro-L.

    Kontakt, not for the factory content, which is weak, but for all the great - and cheap - third-party libraries. I wouldn't want to part with it because it gives me sounds that I can't get anywhere else, e.g. carillon, kantele, or bamboo percussion.

    SampleTank, because the palette is broad enough that I can always find something appropriate in there, and because it's extraordinarily CPU-efficient. I wouldn't want to part with it because I'd have to go back to the TTS-1 as a placeholder for composing.

    ValhallaRoom, a recent addition to my arsenal but already a favorite.  It's surprisingly versatile, from subtle ambiances to spacey, swirly and endless tails. It doesn't work for everything, but I usually try it first anyhow because when it works it works so well. I wouldn't want to part with it because it does things that no other reverb in my toolkit can do as well.


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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/12 03:18:15 (permalink)
    My desert island stuff would be;

    Melodyne Editor

    Slate VCC and drums

    My Waves collection

    Kontact

    Omnisphere

    Trillian

    T-RackS

    Not necessarily in that order.

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/12 18:13:59 (permalink)
    Melodyne - I make my harmonies using it. Then, re-sing the parts matching them perfectly with the pitch corrected vocals. When I've got things how I want them, I mute the Melodyned created vocals leaving a pitch perfect, naturally sung harmony part. With Melodyne, I can experiment with notes and come up with harmonies I may not have created otherwise. Sometimes, Ill come up with something I can't re-sing (my vocal ability is quite limited) or the electronic sound actually puts a cool spin on things. If that's the case, I'll just leave it.

    Also, when you're working with singers who have problems doubling themselves, there's nothing better or easier for turning a single take into convincing double or even triple parts than Melodyne.
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/15 14:49:25 (permalink)
    Superior and easy drummer, also battery 3.  Stylus can also be handy for something extra

    REFX Nexus 2  - simply amazing presets, although it's a rompler not a full fledged synth.  But there are so many sounds that sound great.  That just make you want to compose.

    I still use Z3ta a lot.  

    EWQL plat symphony.   It's always nice to have some REALLY good orchestra stuff to add in as needed.  I would love to get the hollywood strings as well, but just not in the budget yet.

    Omnisphere - great sounds

    Alchemey - WOW this synth does so much stuff.  It's very deep though, and takes some time to get the most out of it.

    Effects

    Lexicon LXP reverb-  I use this all the time.  Also, still really like the UAD dreamverb
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    Sound toys - in particular their decimator is amazing
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/15 15:49:08 (permalink)
    Mathew: Omnisphere, Alchemy, Hollywood Strings and Nexus 2 - you've pretty much duplicated exactly my own ultimate lottery-fantasy wish-list. 


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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/15 16:11:37 (permalink)
    and yet, the gear lust still calls me.   Which just goes to show, it's very hard to be happy with what you have.  I'm sure even if I had UAD complete (or whatever it's called), I would still want other stuff.


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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/15 18:23:35 (permalink)
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    and yet, the gear lust still calls me.   Which just goes to show, it's very hard to be happy with what you have.  I'm sure even if I had UAD complete (or whatever it's called), I would still want other stuff.

    Ya

    Did not stop me from getting Waves Mercury and FabFilter Pro Bundle.

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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/16 14:19:35 (permalink)
    Oh, I forgot one, I'm REALLY liking the Nomad Magentic.   Combing that with the decimator from sound toys (placed indvidually over some intstruments) has just really given a lot of sparkle to my recent songs.


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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/16 15:44:05 (permalink)
    I did not own the FabFilter Pro plugs when I originally replied to this topic cause I was waiting for the price to drop but I would definitely put them in the must have category now that I do have them. So fantastically well designed and functional and usable. I got the Softube mix bundle and using the EQ's in that bundle compared to the FabFilter Pro-Q is like having a mental hand tied behind your back.

    It cost a decent amount of money for the FabFilter stuff but I don't regret a dime of it for an instant and I am still exploring and learning this package.


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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/20 19:26:24 (permalink)
    @Rain Thanks for the Ampeg SVX love! @Bapu Thanks for all the IK shoutouts on your site! :D @Bitflipper Thanks for the SampleTank shoutout!
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/20 23:27:41 (permalink)
    1)Toontrack Superior with the SDX's

    2) Kontakt w 3rd party libraries

    3) u-he DIVA  - As long as I have a mainframe computer handy :) 
     
    4) Z3TA+2

    5) Rapture with the Galbanum Expansions and Architecture 2010

    6) Dimension Pro with Custom sfz's 
     
    7) Ivory Italian Grand piano

    8) NI B4 II

    9) Wave Arts Trackplug 5,MasterVerb 5 and Tube Saturator

    10) Valhalla Room
     
    11) Nomad Factory Bundle
     
    12) Tone Boosters Bundle
     
    13) Rob Papen Distort  (Funking great for mangling loops)
     
    14) Scuffham S-Gear
     
    15) Revalver
     
    post edited by digitalboy - 2011/12/26 06:28:18

    Sorry - I don't use Autotune :)
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    Re:What 3rd party plugins could you not live/work without? 2011/12/21 12:07:36 (permalink)
    WAVES L2, C1 AND LINEAR PHASE MULTIBAND


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