Philip
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What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
I.e.:
For snare drums: 125Hz? (q-0.7)
For guitars: 125Hz?
For bass guitar: 30Hz?
For kick drum: 30Hz?
Cymbals, hats: 650Hz?
Piano and orchestrals: 125Hz?
Lead Vox: 125 to 225Hz?
Backing Vocs: 125Hz?
For masters: 30Hz (q=1+)
Also, I boost 47Hz on the kick and/or master sometimes.
My low end from about 60 to 120 is about 3dcbs above the rest of the mix.
But, I'm trying to solidify the low end as per your ideas. Thanks for your ideas (great or small)
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skullsession
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 06:53:23
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Hard to answer, Phillip.
It all changes depending on the song and the way it was tracked.
I record a lot of different players here, so sounds vary quite widely. Some players and sounds need different treatment....for example; a live drum kit throws out all the rules to begin with. Every kit is quite different - kick, snare, toms, etc. Different sizes and tunings emphasize different fundamental frequencies. It's strictly on a case by case basis here.
But...your basic approach seems somewhat "normal". I always try to be careful to not suck all the life out of things with HPF.
One of the tricks I use is a sub. It stays off for most of the mix. I only fire it up on occasion to see what's happening that I'm missing. When I've got it right, the sub fires a certain way. If there's a problem, I can always tell exactly what it is by shutting off the mains, just listening to the sub.
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Philip
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 08:18:55
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Thanks SkullSession; you've ID'd my problem; I've always had problems 'losing' a bit of the subs. Car 'woofers' can easily get over/under whelmed and I'm looking for some lazy pearls to magnify/glorify subwoofers without getting too much rumble. I'll see about adding a sub-monitor (sub-woofer) as you describe.
post edited by Philip - 2010/04/13 08:22:18
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Beagle
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 09:10:22
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Philip - I don't automatically HPF everything, but I do try to HPF some things to keep the mud out of the mix.
I've got a chart on my website with EQ "starting" recommendations. I don't recommend everyone use ALL of the recommendations on every track, I recommend using EQ as minimally as possible, but the chart shows how you can help tracks you think you need something EQ'd.
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dlogan
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 09:29:51
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I'm most likely to HPF kick drum, bass and guitar. Oh and vocals. For kick and bass, it depends but somewhere between 30-34Hz usually. For guitar, I might be closer to 200Hz, but probably with a more gentle curve than I would use on kick / bass. On vocals, it is probably more a variable based on the singer's voice and range, but you can always use a spectrum analyzer to help you. But really if you're looking to solidify the low end, the kick and bass are going to make the most difference. But the low end of the guitar and some male vocals if you clean up so of the lower frequencies with a HPF it can help you keep your mid-lows from being muddy. That's a range where I've found it helps to carve a space for everything, especially in a dense mix. If you're just recording a solo acoustic guitar piece, you probably don't need a HPF. But when you've also got piano, electric guitar, bass, etc. it usually helps to use HPF/LPF EQ to focus it down to its fundamental frequencies.
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batsbrew
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 10:31:10
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my guitar amp has a eq slider on 80 hz.
LOL
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 18:10:18
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Another thing that can be used to tighten up the bass on a mix is to use a Mid Side approach where you run a bit more aggressive lo-cut on the Side energy while leaving the mid energy more or less where you usually do.
best regards,
mike
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CJaysMusic
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 20:19:40
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.e.: For snare drums: 125Hz? (q-0.7) For guitars: 125Hz? For bass guitar: 30Hz? For kick drum: 30Hz? Cymbals, hats: 650Hz? Piano and orchestrals: 125Hz? Lead Vox: 125 to 225Hz? Backing Vocs: 125Hz? For masters: 30Hz (q=1+) It depends what there set to, but having a high pass set at 30hz in my opinion is too low for any instrument. The curve depends on so many things that having a set point at how you set each one up cannot be done. I do put a highpass on everytihng though...  Cj
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 22:04:44
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1 hz... How low can you go? 
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Rbh
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 22:33:08
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I HPF typically the mid and lower mid range instruments like clean guitars and rhodes around 225 - 250 hz, I occasionally filter 5 string bass at about 50 HZ - depending on the slope.
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Philip
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/13 23:35:55
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You all have excellent 3-D ideas for tightening/solidifying your low-end.
Some of my low ends are so tight and completely 'cut out' ... it's as if they run independently within the mix (into the car-woofer).
Like, now I'm only hearing the bass and kick in my car's woofer!
Look what they've done to my song, John (heehee).
Well, I'm gonna re-read all your thoughts and ponder on them.
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batsbrew
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/14 10:32:34
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you know, seriously, my HPF's are all over the place, and change from song to song.
i change up my bass chain, for example, pretty often, and sometimes it comes in already dialed in, sometimes not, so i'm always searching for the balance of pure tone verus WOOF
so, i've found that, again, you just have to trust your ears on a track by track basis first, then as it's all combined, you have to TRAIN your ears to recognize MASKING.
number one mix killer, IMHO
you know what would be a good excercise, would be to output all the backing tracks one by one, and run them thru something like HARBAL, to see what the actual EQ curve signature is of each part.
you could add up everything that's happening below 100hz, and figure how much of that is collecting and MASKING...
and figure out which tracks needed more aggressive HPF
then, you could HEAR what is happening, and that's how you could train your ears to understand what's going on.
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Philip
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Re:What Are Your Lowest-HPF Frequencies?
2010/04/14 23:37:22
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Thanks Bat, RBH, Beag, CJ, Mike, Dlogan,
You know I cherish your patient thoughts as I listen to your music. You help me a get it right always!
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