What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...???

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2012/03/18 01:52:34 (permalink)

What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...???

hello again...
 
just upgraded from SONAR 7 Producer to SONAR XI Producer...& noticed there was NO Lexicon Pantheon reverb included w/ the app.
 
I REALLY like this verb...very professional sounding, IMO...& I have several SONAR 7 projects w/ this plugin loaded...SO:
 
1) can this be purchased from cake as an extra...???
 
2) is it available elsewhere as a plugin...???
 
3) can I somehow grab the *.dll file from SONAR 7's Vstplugins folder...& will that work...???
 
thanx,
 
 
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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 01:54:43 (permalink)
    Its on all disks up to 8.5 just install it from there.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 02:15:37 (permalink)
    Yeah, just put in your SONAR 7 disk and install Lexicon Pantheon Reverb from there. You can select just to install that. You don't have to install the program files or anything else from the SONAR 7 disk. :)


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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 04:30:25 (permalink)
    There's been a lot of kwestions regarding the Pantheon ever sinse Cake dropped it. It's becoming legendary!

    Am I the only one who's always found the Sonitus Reverb far superior?

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 06:09:18 (permalink)
    Yes, I still use it as my go-to reverb.
    I also enquired from the Lexicon UK distributor whether Pantheon 2 was available as a separate VST but they confirmed what is on their web site, i.e. it is only available bundled with their hardware products.  

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 06:52:10 (permalink)
    You still own it. It's on the 7 disk. Happy using..... I'm told it's even available in 64bit

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 08:02:30 (permalink)
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    There's been a lot of kwestions regarding the Pantheon ever sinse Cake dropped it. It's becoming legendary!

    Am I the only one who's always found the Sonitus Reverb far superior?

    Sven

    Pantheon can be a bit wild and weird it always needed a bit of a firm hand to get it into a usable state but in some kases I've liked how it's sounded.

    I've always preferred StudioVerb out of the Kake bundled ones.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 09:14:49 (permalink)
    im shure there will be a prochannel mod coming.
    seems cake likes to make us buy things like content

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 09:20:17 (permalink)
    If you really want the Lexicon sound, Lexicon has recently released a lower cost version of their native plugin version - called the MPX Native Reverb Plug-In, it includes algorithms for: 
     
    Small Plate
    Large Plate
    Small Hall
    Large Hall
    Small Chamber
    Large Chamber
    Room

    http://www.lexiconpro.com/product.php?id=176 

    Compared to the hefty price of their  full fledged PCR Native Reverb Bundle at over a grand, the MPX Reverb Plug-In can be had for a more reasonable price at under $200 (still a little expensive, but if you really want the Lexicon algorithms it will cost you).


    They actually have three price points now for their plug-in line - PCR series at $1000, LXP at about $500, and the newest MPX at the $200 price point so at least they are realizing not everyone can afford to drop serious cash on reverb plug-ins.


    Personally - I found ValhallaRoom from ValhallaDSP to be my go to Reverb plug-in these days, at the price of $50 it's hard to beat.  I know others here use it as well.



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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 10:35:19 (permalink)
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    ..... I'm told it's even available in 64bit


    Yes, it's definitely available in 64bit Frans.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 11:06:57 (permalink)
    OK, how does one get the 64bit version?
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    ..... I'm told it's even available in 64bit


    Yes, it's definitely available in 64bit Frans.



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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 11:07:58 (permalink)
    Jonbouy
    Pantheon can be a bit wild and weird it always needed a bit of a firm hand to get it into a usable state but in some kases I've liked how it's sounded.

    I've always preferred StudioVerb out of the Kake bundled ones.

    Those are my kwazy konklusions...
    StudioVerb? That's the one from Project 5 (or was it Home Studio)? Never tried it.
     
    I always thought the Pantheon had kind of a grainy and brittle "cheap 90's digital boks sound" to it. Never kould make it work for me. I find the Sonitus has more smoother and denser platelike sound. I still use it as a kwikk and easy trakking verb.

    But with so many inekspensive and truly superb reverb plugs on the market, there's no real reason for any of them to find their way to the final mix IMO.
     
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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 12:00:14 (permalink)
    Lynn


    OK, how does one get the 64bit version?
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    ..... I'm told it's even available in 64bit


    Yes, it's definitely available in 64bit Frans.


     
    Hi Lynn, I'll try and find out for you which installation disc my 64bit version came from, but it was installed (by default IIRC) to:
        
         Program Files (64bit) > Cakewalk > Shared Plugins
     
     
    In Plugin Manager, it appears in the DirectX Audio Effects (DX) list.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 12:30:32 (permalink)
    Personally - I found ValhallaRoom from ValhallaDSP to be my go to Reverb plug-in these days, at the price of $50 it's hard to beat.

    +1. It's a good replacement for Pantheon in particular, as it excels at extremely fat, cavernous reverb effects.


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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 14:11:57 (permalink)
    I have that in the same file, but under properties it is listed as version 1.21 and a direct x file, not a vst.  Do you have something more recent?
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    OK, how does one get the 64bit version?
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    ..... I'm told it's even available in 64bit


    Yes, it's definitely available in 64bit Frans.


     
    Hi Lynn, I'll try and find out for you which installation disc my 64bit version came from, but it was installed (by default IIRC) to:
        
         Program Files (64bit) > Cakewalk > Shared Plugins
     
     
    In Plugin Manager, it appears in the DirectX Audio Effects (DX) list.



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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 15:14:56 (permalink)
    Lynn, the version 1.21 that is there is an x64 DX plugin - there has never been a VST version of Pantheon.  If it works in Sonar X1 x64 as a DX file it's a guarantee that it's the x64 version.  There is also no bridging for DX plugins, they have to be x64 compatible as far as I understand.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 17:29:26 (permalink)
    SvenArne

    StudioVerb? That's the one from Project 5 (or was it Home Studio)? Never tried it.
     
    I always thought the Pantheon had kind of a grainy and brittle "cheap 90's digital boks sound" to it.


    Korrekt as far as StudioVerb goes.

    I agree about Pantheon's sound too but it works when cheap 90's boksy is rekwired.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 17:34:20 (permalink)
    Its all about the tools and the tools, Pantheon is very good for drums.

    Personaly even though I still son't have it down pat, Perfect Space is the best offering Sonar has, and when I say I don't have it down pat, I do but I'd still like a manual.

    I like Perfect Space so much, the plates, the spring verb and even the weird stuff very cool.

    I also use the Tape Echo unit from GR4 a lot also very good.

    The next verb I will get is from UAD.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 20:02:29 (permalink)
    thanx everybody...
     

    Am I the only one who's always found the Sonitus Reverb far superior?...I always thought the Pantheon had kind of a grainy and brittle "cheap 90's digital boks sound" to it. Never kould make it work for me. I find the Sonitus has more smoother and denser platelike sound. I still use it as a kwikk and easy trakking verb
    hhmmmnnnnn...I find the sonitus to be the grainy one...love the pantheon for lead vocals.  i track my vox thru an akg c414 > sytek mpx-4a > lynx aurora8...& the pantheon always makes them shine at 5%-10% 
     

    Hi Lynn, I'll try and find out for you which installation disc my 64bit version came from, but it was installed (by default IIRC) to:

    Program Files (64bit) > Cakewalk > Shared Plugins
    went to my v7 install disc first...but couldn't find it.  from that path, tho...maybe it's on my most recent backup. 
     
    (how exactly is it available on the original install disc...???)
     
    will also have a listen to valhalla.
     
    thanx again,
     
     
    mark4man

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    purchased valhalla room...thanx
     
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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 21:32:22 (permalink)
    (how exactly is it available on the original install disc...???)

     
    Put in the SONAR 7 disk and choose 64bit install.

    When you come to the Select Components section of the SONAR 7 install (where it has Program Files, Audio Plugins, MIDI Plugins, Soft Synths, Sample Files, etc.,) uncheck all the boxes (scroll down the list too and uncheck them all,) then go back up.

    The Lexicon Pantheon Reverb is the 2nd in the list under Audio Plugins, put a check mark in that one and proceed with the installation. That should do it.


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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 21:52:34 (permalink)
    Wouldn't the same be true of the 8.5 version?  Is this with Windows 7 in mind?
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    (how exactly is it available on the original install disc...???)

     
    Put in the SONAR 7 disk and choose 64bit install.

    When you come to the Select Components section of the SONAR 7 install (where it has Program Files, Audio Plugins, MIDI Plugins, Soft Synths, Sample Files, etc.,) uncheck all the boxes (scroll down the list too and uncheck them all,) then go back up.

    The Lexicon Pantheon Reverb is the 2nd in the list under Audio Plugins, put a check mark in that one and proceed with the installation. That should do it.




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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 22:26:16 (permalink)
    Am I the only one who places an eq in front of Pantheon? After doing that and rolling off some high end and tweaking the parameter on Pantheon I could loose the tininess and warm it pretty well to get  that smooth Lexicon sound. I just doesn't seem flatter the   hi-end (but what reverb really does) Still it is to me one of best. Sonitus reverb was is great one as well though I found it needs more tweaking to sit in the mix how I like . Now the Cakewalk FX Reverb (DSP) was and is another good reverb that disappears into the mix well.  This is all subjective because we all have different taste and styles of mixing. What works for one person doesn't for the other but Pantheon is still a top choice for me.
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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/18 23:30:18 (permalink)
    Lynn


    Wouldn't the same be true of the 8.5 version?  Is this with Windows 7 in mind?
    thomasabarnes



    (how exactly is it available on the original install disc...???)


    Put in the SONAR 7 disk and choose 64bit install.

    When you come to the Select Components section of the SONAR 7 install (where it has Program Files, Audio Plugins, MIDI Plugins, Soft Synths, Sample Files, etc.,) uncheck all the boxes (scroll down the list too and uncheck them all,) then go back up.

    The Lexicon Pantheon Reverb is the 2nd in the list under Audio Plugins, put a check mark in that one and proceed with the installation. That should do it.


    At some point, there became an Advanced option for the SONAR installation. On versions with the Advanced option, one has to select the Advanced option to get to the Components section of the SONAR installer during the installtion setup or the installer would just go with some default installation settings that doesn't included giving the user the option to select what is to be installed. I'm not sure which version the Advanced option started with.
     
    Getting to the Components section of the installation setup is easy and doesn't matter which version of Windows you install on. If it is a SONAR version that has the Advanced option, one will have the opportunity to select the Advanced option during the installation and when Advanced option is selected, sooner or later, one will see the Components section and be able to select what one wants installed.
     
    If it is a SONAR version without the Advanced installation option, one will come to the Components part of the installation as the installation wizard progresses.
     
    Hope that helps.
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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/19 05:08:42 (permalink)
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    Am I the only one who places an eq in front of Pantheon? After doing that and rolling off some high end and tweaking the parameter on Pantheon I could loose the tininess and warm it pretty well to get  that smooth Lexicon sound. I just doesn't seem flatter the   hi-end (but what reverb really does) Still it is to me one of best. Sonitus reverb was is great one as well though I found it needs more tweaking to sit in the mix how I like . Now the Cakewalk FX Reverb (DSP) was and is another good reverb that disappears into the mix well.  This is all subjective because we all have different taste and styles of mixing. What works for one person doesn't for the other but Pantheon is still a top choice for me.


    No you're not the only one.

    I usually put an EQ both in front and behind any Reverb plug, unless they come equipped with their own EQ controls.

    Even then I often prefer the flexibility of having 2 separate EQ's top roll off the low end going in and roll off the high end coming out.

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    Re:What Happened to Lexicon Pantheon Reverb...??? 2012/03/19 11:32:11 (permalink)
    Am I the only one who places an eq in front of Pantheon?

    Pretty much standard practice, I think. Even though many reverbs have built-in high- and low-pass filters, I prefer the flexibility of a separate parametric equalizer in front of, and sometimes after, reverbs. If your vocal has any problem resonances in it, for example, reverb can exaggerate it unless you mitigate the problem frequencies going in.


    I also like to put compression in front of a vocal reverb, often with a filtered sidechain. This clamps down loud consonants that might make the reverb effect too noticeable.


    Lynn: you should be able to install Pantheon from any version of SONAR that included it, starting with 3 and ending with 8.5. Even if you have to do a full install of the old version, that's really not going to hurt anything.


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