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2018/04/09 04:39:22 (permalink)

What Is This Noise?

I'm getting a weird noise now and then during playback of a 7 minute long midi piece for orchestra. It's an electrical-sounding noise, like a brief zapping sound. It lasts about a half second. Kind of like you plugged the speaker into wrong outlet, but not that loud. I never got it with Sonar 8.5. I have set all the 256 values to 512 but that didn't seem to help. This happened also with Sonar Home Studio, which I recently installed. Did not happen with 8.5.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/09 04:42:51 (permalink)
    Sounds like the type of noise some manufacturers add to their product demos. Not something Cakewalk ever did and I doubt BandLab does either.
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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/09 04:49:55 (permalink)
    Imageline use this on both FX and Synths, so if it's not a synth, check and FX isn't in demo mode.

     
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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/09 21:50:43 (permalink)
    Interesting. If it's a synth, I may be able to configure it and solve the problem. I'll have to watch my synths while it's playing, and see if I can narrow it down.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/09 23:09:59 (permalink)
    If the noise happens in the exact same spot that narrows it down. 
    If it's Random that's a little harder. 
     
    Same spot: 
    Solo each track in turn and loop play that spot  to find. 
     
    Random:
    Same but now it will take longer as you'll have to wait it out. 
    You can try bypassing all effects and play. 
    If you have sub busses you can try soloing those instead of each track. 
     

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/09 23:51:20 (permalink)
    My suspicion is on the free Kontakt Player, although I'm not sure why. Just a hunch., So if anyone has any info on that, please let me know. Like, how to configure it and such.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 03:16:51 (permalink)
    Well, I decided to update all my VSTi (Play, Aria, Kontakt, Vienna). I still had the weird sound during playback. So that didn't solve it. I then switched the Kontakt Player's multicore support off. That may have helped, no noise so far. If that holds up, that would be the answer.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 04:59:08 (permalink)
    Unfortunately the problem remains. I stress again that this did not happen with 8.5 Studio, only Home Studio (the freebie people were recently downloading) and CbB. So this would tend to argue that it is some setting in these newer programs that is the culprit. Or possibly an incompatibility between these program and one or more of my synths.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 05:03:39 (permalink)
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    Well, I decided to update all my VSTi (Play, Aria, Kontakt, Vienna).




    Did you check your VSTs too. Is an FX running in demo mode

     
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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 16:31:10 (permalink)
    Good thought Kamikaze, will do. (Why didn't I think of that?).

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 17:19:54 (permalink)
    I know IK Multimedia does that kind of noise thing. Might be a place to start if you're using anything by them.
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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 17:32:21 (permalink)
    Actually, I don't use much in the way of vsts. For my current project, an orchestral piece, here is what I'm using:
     
    VSTi: 1 Play, 1 Aria, 1 Vienna, 1 Dim. Pro, 2 Kontakts with Cinematic Strings; 3 Studio Inst with Strings. All have just a handful of insts. on them.
     
    vsts: 1 Spaces, 1 Sontius Compressor, 1 Tube Leveler.
     
    The VSTi go to the Reverb bus, with Spaces. Spaces goes to the Mix bus, where the Compressor and Tube Leveler are.
     
    That's it. Although sometimes I turn the LP64 EQ on, but usually I leave that for mastering.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 18:34:03 (permalink)
    You didn't seem to follow my instructions. When Troubleshooting one must use a process of elimination.  Jumping all over the place is a big waist of time. It's easy to pin point issues. 

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 18:40:27 (permalink)
    One small step at a time - does it happen in exactly same place(s) every time you play back or does it appear randomly?

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 18:49:20 (permalink)
    I asked that and seems he didn't answer and it is real important to those who are trying to help

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 20:18:33 (permalink)
    Sorry! you're right, I need to provide more info, and try your suggestions.
     
    First, it appears to be random. Hit or miss. Today on my run through my project, to see how what I did last night sounds, it didn't happen at all.
     
    I will do the following to troubleshoot: the next time it happens I'll stop play there and note what synths and instruments were going. I'll do that every time I hear the noise. Hopefully, a pattern will emerge and I'll be able to zero in on the culprit.
     
    I appreciate the help.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 20:42:59 (permalink)
    Freeze all tracks you aren't actively working on.
    Does it still happen?
    If yes, then it's something common (busses, masters) or perhaps even outside of Sonar.
     
    If not, then:
     A.
    Unfreeze half your tracks.
    Does it still happen?
    If yes, re-freeze half of the tracks you just unfroze.
    If not, re-freeze and unfreeze the other half.
     Goto A.
     
    Keep going, narrowing down by halves, until you are left with the track that's causing it.
     
    Also, activate the waveform display on the master track(s) and
    see if there's anything visible.
     
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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 21:16:12 (permalink)
    Why use Freeze? Muting should be sufficient.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 21:47:37 (permalink)
    I just had the noise. The only two synths playing were Dimension LE and Kontakt. Is it logical to think it might be one of those two, or one of the insts. on them? The Dim. LE only has a harp from Garrison Pocket Orchestra. The Kontakt has Cinematic Strings, with all 5 groups playing (violins1, violins2, violas, cellos and basses). The only fx are Spaces on the reverb bus and Sonitus Compressor on the Mix bus.
     
    I'm using Dim LE because the full version won't insert, says it ay not have been installed correctly. Don't know if that is significant.
     
    Will continue troubleshooting.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 22:01:37 (permalink)
    I beleieve Dim Pro needs you to activate by running as Administrator. 
     
    OK, Random as said is real hard to pin down. 
     
    What I was doing in the case of Sonar randomly crashing was keep a notebook and write down what was happening at the time of the crash. 
    For a while I thought it was a 32 bit VST I was still using because it was in all projects that crashed. Then one day I had a crash without that VST so back to square one.
     
    WHat seem to stop the crashes for me ( and others too) was to make sure and save A LOT.
    Like every 10 little edits. The crashes have almost stopped since then with only once and guess what,, I hadn't saved for a long time while editing. 
     
    You problem is different but sort of the same because Random is tricky. 
    So start making notes. 
    I would for sure try using different plug ins. 

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 22:08:41 (permalink)
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    Why use Freeze? Muting should be sufficient.


    To enable the OP to continue working
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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/10 23:58:03 (permalink)
    Yeah, random and intermittent. Which makes it hard even to devise a strategy. But if I can determine that a certain synth is active during all the events, that would narrow it down I would think.
    I'll try to run DP as administrator, though this is the first I've heard of that, and I have run it many times in the past. I'll probably end up reinstalling it.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 09:09:24 (permalink)
    I agree with Kev 999 that you should try freezing all your synth tracks.  Its quick and easy and may solve or help diagnose the problem.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 09:18:36 (permalink)
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    I agree with Kev 999 that you should try freezing all your synth tracks...

     
    That wasn't me. Freezing might actually mask the problem. If you freeze the synth that happens to be the one that is causing the hiss and it doesn't hiss during the freeze process, then you'll never know if that was the one. Also, freezing takes time whereas muting or soloing is one-click and instant.

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 11:46:43 (permalink)
    I think he's taking about Quick Freeze which takes a couple of seconds.
     
    If you play back afterwards and it doesn't hiss then you've kind of nailed it

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 16:40:26 (permalink)
    I uninstalled and reinstalled Dim Pro last night, on the theory that perhaps Dim LE was the culprit. Also, I would rather have Dim Pro than LE anyway. That went fine, so far no noise. So I'm now using Dim Pro and have turned LE off. Until I get the noise again, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. If it comes back, I'll continue troubleshooting, considering all the very helpful advice you folks have been giving me.
     
    One thing I wonder about re: Dim Pro: I don't think I've ever got the DXI or 64-bit versions working. I always use the 32-bit version, which has always worked fine. Anyone have a different experience?

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 17:52:11 (permalink)
    I never install 32 bit anything. I wonder why you couldn't get it to work? Are you using the 64 bit version of Sonar? 

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 21:18:57 (permalink)
    I'm actually using the New CbB as folks have decided to call it. That's 64-bit only, isn't it?
     
    Re: Dim Pro, id the noise returns, I plan to reinstall again, this time installing both 32 and 64 bit versions. I should have just installed the 64 last night along with the 32. Oh well, some good hockey games on tonight....

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 21:28:09 (permalink)
    I'm with Cactus - I don't install anything 32 bit unless there is no alternative 64 bit version

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    Re: What Is This Noise? 2018/04/11 21:34:01 (permalink)
    If the noise comes back, just mute one track at a time until the noise goes away.
     
    Then something on that last track muted or something it routes to,  is related to the noise.

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