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What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato

In this episode we explore the life and music of Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750.
Photography in Leipzig by Fabian Pape.
 

 
 
There is really not much to add without watching...
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/17 11:24:33 (permalink)
Aside from Bach having composed some of the greatest music I have ever heard .
Bach in 2018 happens to have one of the fiercest legal teams ion the bizz looking out for his musical interests .

 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/17 11:46:14 (permalink)
???

I thought JS Bach was in the public domain by now.

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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/17 11:59:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ØSkald 2018/10/18 14:46:48
Yes Bach's music is public domain , yet for some unexplained reason the video in the OP is blocked ...
I wanted to point that out ...
I love Bach . Later on I hope to be back with discussion on his music and what it has meant to me
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/18 14:50:31 (permalink)
 
Yeah Bach is my sole role model. He never gave in even tho no one appreciated his music. And he even made harmonies that we haven’t heard until recently. Was that why they didn’t embrace his vocal works?
 
At lesast we have this link...


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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/18 14:52:01 (permalink)
About Ricks video. It vas ok. He really love Bach but some of it was watching him looking at the Bach museum.

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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/19 17:52:13 (permalink)
I guess he reposted the video. New link fixed!

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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/19 18:02:01 (permalink)
I think you may have access to the video because it may be available in your geographical location ..
Using your updated link in your opening post this I what I just got .

 
it just may be blocked in my country  ...yes no ?
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/19 18:30:10 (permalink)
Blocked here too. It happens with Rick Beato's vids occasionally, especially if he's talking about Zeppelin.

 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/19 18:54:51 (permalink)
Too many notes
 
 
 
 
actually, the vid worked for me, and I do like Bach, but I am not versed enough in music theory to know what Rick was talking about.
 
 
But Rick always makes interesting videos.
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/19 21:01:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2018/10/20 12:43:41
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/20 10:50:19 (permalink)
I met him once.
 
It was backstage at a milli-vanilli show in Munich in the late 80's.
 
He told me that in hindsight Mass in Bm would probably have sounded much better if it had been in Am.
 
He told me of his future plans to adopt an alter ego and host an internet chat room where the subject of Am would be discussed ad infinitum.
 
True story.
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/20 12:43:34 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcvUHdhROrk


 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/20 16:30:55 (permalink)
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It was backstage at a milli-vanilli show in Munich in the late 80's.
 
True story.



 
 
Woah , back in the day  I had a poster of Farrah Fawcett and Raquel Welch hanging up in my bedroom .
If you had one ,you could have rubbed out all your frustrations like most normal teens and avoided ending up in a situation like that.
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/20 19:19:55 (permalink)
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It was backstage at a milli-vanilli show in Munich in the late 80's.
 
True story.



 
 
Woah , back in the day  I had a poster of Farrah Fawcett and Raquel Welch hanging up in my bedroom .
If you had one ,you could have rubbed out all your frustrations like most normal teens and avoided ending up in a situation like that.
 
Kenny




Back then many real girls liked MV, so you know............they didn't have time to satisfy ALL of them so there were plenty of ladies left over who had gone and got themselves all worked up and needed to take it out on someone.
 
Each to their own and all that, but it seemed like more fun than rubbing oneself.
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 11:32:02 (permalink)
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It was backstage at a milli-vanilli show in Munich in the late 80's.
 
True story.



 
 
Woah , back in the day  I had a poster of Farrah Fawcett and Raquel Welch hanging up in my bedroom .
If you had one ,you could have rubbed out all your frustrations like most normal teens and avoided ending up in a situation like that.
 
Kenny




Back then many real girls liked MV, so you know............they didn't have time to satisfy ALL of them so there were plenty of ladies left over who had gone and got themselves all worked up and needed to take it out on someone.
 
Each to their own and all that, but it seemed like more fun than rubbing oneself.




 
OK fair enough ,  I was around in that era of music and things were much looser than they are today as far as picking up ladies goes So in fact , You get to win that round
 
 
I'm still left with one question and I'm gonna let my home girl ask it ..
 
 
 
                  What's Milli Vanilli got to do with Bach
          
 
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 12:12:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby paulo 2018/10/21 12:38:05
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                  What's Milli Vanilli got to do with Bach
 




 
Ian Anderson stole the melody of 'Bouree' from Milli Vanilli's 'Girl You Know It's True', not knowing it was actually a JS Bach tune.
 
Unfortunately everyone involved is now dead, except for some of them.
 
Rock trivia..you can't make it up...

 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 12:35:54 (permalink)
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                  What's Milli Vanilli got to do with Bach
 




 
Ian Anderson stole the melody of 'Bouree' from Milli Vanilli's 'Girl You Know It's True', not knowing it was actually a JS Bach tune.
 
Unfortunately everyone involved is now dead, except for some of them.
 
Rock trivia..you can't make it up...


                      
                              
                            
         
 
                      
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 12:42:31 (permalink)
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I'm still left with one question and I'm gonna let my home girl ask it ..
 
 
 
                  What's Milli Vanilli got to do with Bach
          
 
 
Kenny




 
If you'd spent more time paying attention instead of daydreaming about your posters while rubbing yourself you wouldn't need to ask that question........... 
 

 
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 13:54:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2018/10/21 14:15:07
OK,  if you want to learn how to play Bach on the guitar (or any other instrument ) chances are you have everything you need . ALREADY
 
I use Cakewalk by Bandlab for this type of learning I'm about to talk about .
In the past I used to use other versions of SONAR ..
 
First  , all you need is to get some Bach Midi Flies
You can get them here ,
http://www.jsbach.net/midi/
http://www.kunstderfuge.c./bach/organ.htm#Partitas
BTW the second link is killer yet it may only limit your use since it is a subscription site
( it may limit it to  5 midi's a day as per non subscript )
 
If I want to a audition a midi file while you are at one of these sites you may choose open with Cakewalk as opposed to save as ...
Cakewalk will open the midi file and place the TTS 1 as the default synth ..
The only draw back to that is some of the sounds may sound cheesy but it is a good way to audition files .
If I hear something I may like I will download it
One trick I like to do is to use a piano or a guitar sound for all the parts of the midi .
I do this once I have decided that I want to learn how to play the parts .
The reason for doing that is I'm used to hearing the guitar so it is easier for me to pick up guitar parts using a guitar sound 
 
Once a Bach midi is loaded into Cakewalk it may look like this
 

 

 
In both cases I'm using the Staff view pretty much unaltered ....the cool thing is I do read music
(yet not as good as I used to but good enough to at least be able to pick up the right notes and the timing )
 
On these next few Bach midi files I will open up the staff view editing function  to set my individual track octaves to Treble 8 VA .
 
unedited notion will look like this ...the wrong clef for guitar
( i left to dialog box open i will get to that later )
 

 
To change the staff view property's for a traditional 8 va guitar clef you will need to go to where it says edit in the staff view area of the GUI
 

 
Using the drop down menu you will be able to change each tracks staff view property's to your preference
on the left you will see a list of the racks and on the right you will be able to set them individually..
to do you just select the track on the left and set it to what you want on the right
 
 
 
the image here has been set to the correct clef for being able to read it as a guitar part it is no longer in the bass clef as pictured above

 
here are a couple of shots of a Bach file set  up for guitar practice with the correct clefs added ..
 

 

 
for those of you that do not read music I am not trying to alienate you ..the simple mater of the truth is you don't have to be able to read music . You can always still slow things down , loop things and chop up sections of Bach's music as a midi or audio and work your learning cafeteria style ..
 
The cool news is a few decades back if you wanted to learn Bach you had to study with a teacher privately or go to a music school ( BTW i did both back then )
 
Since we all have a powerful DAW and access to thousands of midi files it is possible to stay in the loop and learn at one's own pace ...
 
In closing I hope I may have helped somebody here . Although I like to joke around in The Coffee House a lot  I am serious about  trying to add to a topic I am interested in ...
For those of you that may try what I have put forth and say hey Bach sounds crappy and lifeless as a midi file using the bundled GM synth that comes with Cakewalk by BandLab .
 
To you I say Yes I agree with you . Here is my promise to you . When you take the time to learn as little or as much as you can grab on your instrument you will notice that Bach does sound very good after all ...
I don't care if the songs tempos is 123 and you can only play it at 50 BPM  what you play on your instrument is always more important than how it sounds as a midi file ..unless you happen to be a Midi Master and you have all the chops it takes to breath new life into a midi file ..
 
all the best
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 14:07:21 (permalink)
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/21 16:43:07 (permalink)
OK for some of you guys that don't read music well or don't even want to ...
 
The internet has a million tabs on every type of music that is out there ...
 
There is a program out there called Tef View it's free and I have it on all my computers ...
here's the link for Tef View
http://www.tabledit.com/tefview/
 
here's a couple of screen shot of what Tef View looks like
Bourree

Adagio elongated so I can see what is going on 

Adagio where I have set a loop that repeats

 
IMHO the cool thing is the Tef View program is really light and there is a ton of cool tabs out there ..
I'm not kidding around when I say I have thousands of Tef Files . I do mess around with them all the time ..
I start learning them and then I move on  because I get bored some times or the tune might need a lot of practice on my part .
So in plain English what that means is I don't know $hit because I didn't finish any of these tunes 
 
I think it is pretty nice for people that don't read .
The Tef Files have very accurate tab locations of the guitars fret board .
IMHO it is very surprising how accurate they are ..
It almost borders on a the Tef file  talking to you as to how to play it accurate
 
Here is a link of where you can get some real cool Bach Tef files ...
http://www.freetabs.org/classical.htm#Bach
All the files on the page seem to be zips but if you download the collection it should have all the files that are listed for the Composer ....
 
Hope some one enjoys this
 
all the best
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/23 05:44:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2018/10/26 04:37:36
Your the best Kenny! Will try out those sites and apps.

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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/26 04:42:55 (permalink)
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/27 23:48:25 (permalink)
 

 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/28 07:15:40 (permalink)
I alway look for the like button when seeing vids line this, and then realize how glad i am thar this is not Fakebook....

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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/28 07:41:59 (permalink)
I have made a fugue version of 3 songs of the same lyric by Petter Dass (c. 1647 – 17 August 1707).
 
The songs is in the official songbook for the Church of Norway. The melodies are folk tunes. The most used melody (Romedal (place of the origin of the folk tune, 1 (in the songbook)) I used for the fugue parts. The not so used (Mo i Rana, 278b) I use at the vocal melody, and the third melody (Ørsta, 278a) I use as a closing theme. The text is a “short” version of the whole poem of 16 verses. This song has “only” 8 of those, because that’s what it is in the songbook. I stack 2 together.
 
I have a urge of using fugal and other counter punctual techniques in metal and other modern styles. Not that it is new in any ways. There is many great fugues in modern music. And I know this is not on Bach’s level, but it is a start. Not my first fugue tho. And the song is just a demo. No vocal recorded yet, so I need to re-record much of it to make it sound as good as the melodies really are. If I can.
 
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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/10/30 08:39:02 (permalink)
Do you guys make anything J. S Bach inspired?

And i didnt mean the painter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/...painter%29?wprov=sfla1

I bet you smart guys can do so much better than me on this.

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Re: What Made Bach Great? Johann Sebastian Bach 1685-1750 -Rick Beato 2018/11/02 14:42:49 (permalink)
For those not so familiar with Bach,
 
He was first and foremost a virtuoso keyboard player.
 
Secondly he was a music teacher.
 
All his written keyboard music is really there to teach you how to write music and how to play.

His goal was, in a way, to teach.

The well tempered Clavier books, start of easy, and gets harder and harder, with new techniques.

It was also to show how important the new tempering of the tuning on keyboard was, but that is another story.
 
Thirdly, and in a sad way.
 
He was not recognized in his day for his writhing of music.
 
There was really just 2 pieces he was “famous” for.
 
That was
 
“Toccata and Fugue in d minor, BWV 565”

 
 

and
 
“Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue in d minor, BWV 903”.

 
First of the who has a “Toccata” in the beginning.
Toccata is a improvisation where you use timing in your improvisation. In example. Plays one scale faster and faster, slow suddenly down tempo, and so on. All to express the melody’s.
 
Fantasia is a way of improvisation. Less rules than anything.
 
Mark that both has Fugue parts.
 
And that is the technique Bach first and foremost are known for.
 
Fugue technique is a way of using a melody and making a musical peace out of it.
 
There is not much rules, only suggestions made by Bach’s music, but the rules must be, that the melody is used again and again and in new ways all the time.
 

 
And Fugues does not need more than one voiced instruments to work.
 
Here is Bach "Sonata No. 1 in G Minor, BWV 1001: II. Fuga: Allegro"

 
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