What about MAX Martin?

Some of you here are producers, me and other wants to be.
 
Even if we love Max work or hate him, we are all affected in some way.
For me, I loved him back in 97 and up to 07 or later. then I got musically red pilled.
I am anyways of that mind that we can learn from anyone.
And a producer as successful as Max Martin has much to teach us.
 
What do you love/hate about him and his works?
Is he the only one responsible for this sterile Poop, sorry, Pop  music today?

jamesg1213
The comment from Simon Cowell is breathtakingly ironic. Between the two of them, they've ensured that we'll never hear a song like Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Wichita Lineman or Whiter Shade of Pale in 'the charts' again. Because of them, and a couple of others, pop music has become simple, formulaic and forgettable.
 
Makes me long for the days when I heard Squeeze, Del Amitri, XTC, Elvis Costello and Kate Bush on the radio, instead of the melisma drenched anodyne drivel that passes for pop these days.

 
You sound bitter...

Jarsve
 
Some of you here are producers, me and other wants to be.

That's true I got the Pro Channel ...Hey Music World you better watch out
 

Jarsve


Even if we love Max work or hate him, we are all affected in some way.

Yeah I know . I'm surrounded by people everywhere I go that have their eyes glued to the screen of their cell phones while they listen and watch u tube videos of his songs with their ear buds on .
Normally I don't mind this yet I do have to confess that I get a little nervous when I'm driving my car or when I'm walking around in public around some of these people .
 

Jarsve

For me, I loved him back in 97 and up to 07 or later. then I got musically red pilled.

 
I must be living under a Rock with very strong musical filter fortifications . Honestly  I didn't know who he was until a couple of years ago.
 

Jarsve

A producer as successful as Max Martin has much to teach us.

 
Yes , it is true , Max Martin has much to teach us.
If you want to be popular learn from him and do what he does . If not it's OK ,  just be true to yourself .We are all different
 
Very few people listen to Music first with their ears only anymore ...
Nowadays in today's music world , songwriting and producing a good music performance is a dying art that may soon become extinct in the very near future.
Folks , it always wasn't this way . In today's world the musical landscape has changed to the point where even multi million dollar musical artists are putting their music out VIA social media to generate listens and interest .
No longer is it good enough to just write a great song and melody with Love to put out there for your fans and listeners ..
Musicians and song writers who do their music only with out any consideration for what their true market is  face the dangers of living a life time of anonymous interactions in the outskirts of the music bizznezz with no listeners or fans.  
( trust me I know this info  first hand ... to be totally honest here , I haven't learned my lesson )
 

Jarsve

What do you love/hate about him and his works?

 
Before I came in to this thread I did some research on Max , then I listened to a bunch of music I hadn't realized Max had done .
I don't know man , I don't want to say anything bad , but the dude sure knows what the hell he is doing ...
Every tune I checked out had something like 456, 789, 109 views on u tube ...
I didn't  hear or see any Old Long Grey Haired Hippy Guitar Players with a steel gaze of concentration trained on either their guitars fret-board or shoes clogging up the screen of my lap top while the music was playing ...
 
I saw was some Drop Dead Foxy Wimenz singing to the song . Some of these girls were certainly worthy of  serving as the sole inspiration behind  a  Guinness World Record attempt for The Game of One Manned Pocket Pool.
 
Lets see , we have a catchy tune that works it's way into your head whether you like it or not .
Then we have Video productions that rival what The Old School Hollywood Blockbusters were doing only a short time ago in what they did in staging and effects ...
Then there is the Foxy Eye Candy that not only looks good but can sing and dance .
 
Aye Carrumba how's a songwriter / musician gonna be able to compete or even get a listen up against that ?
 

Jarsve

Is he the only one responsible for this sterile Poop, sorry, Pop  music today?
 

Nope I hate to say this . We are all to blame Clearly Max fully understands his market .
He is only giving a majority of the listening public out there what they think they want
 
Oh $h*t  after coming in here and writing this post
 
 

 
 
Kenny

By the way. the last rules was not of John Petrucci but of Max Martin. I dont remember Johns rules, if ha had any. He was just concerned and stated that they could make the albums crazy advanced, but then no noe would listen to it. or something like that.

It seems this dark, but i have a slightly hope. There are young musichians on the tube that has millions of view. Well they only cover athers work, but they do play live on cam.

Have you heard the Japanese artificial singing artists? It sounds augmful lol. Something with the vouce that sounds rrally off. Anf yeah they pich ih 10 octaves up, Japanese style. Lol.

I can find some links to songs on the tube. Bimut it doesnt sound good.

Dear Max Martin ,
 
I wish I knew you in real life .
 
I think I may have learned a lot from you on how best to use my musical talents in the music bizznez  . Had you took me under your wing ,  you might have even helped me get off food stamps much sooner than I did ...
 
I have to give it to you Max , the way you are living the dream ...it is enviable ..I feel the green and it is not in my wallet
 
The more I read up on you , the more I think you are one of the Coolest People in Music ..having said that 
Please don't get mad at me for this . I'm just trying to work through my issues and I'm not going down with out a fight
 
                           
 
Kenny
 

I think nowadays it is not different to the past (e.g. the 80s when we were playing live). The people only want to hear what is already well known, the big acts. It doesn't matter how good the music is, but it has to be of those awesome stars! For sure their albums are and were always professionally perfect (if you exclude their first ones). It is a big business, it's a lot of money, the stars are all cool, randy girls, young good looking guys (no old geezers). It has not changed at all!
 
So the best thing for me is that I have always one listener that likes my songs: myself! Yes, I like them! (even if the performance, recording and mixing is not without any doubt. )
 
Marc

Most of them were cool looking when they started their careers! Furthermore the way how to look changed during the time! And if someone has reached the top, then he can continue till he is an old geezer, but you can never start there! This alone proves that the looking does matter over the music!
In respect of the music I think there were always better or equal talents that did not succeed. I agree it is not only the looking, there are other relevant things like freakiness, the performance, the appearance and so on. Not to forget their obsession to get there, most of them have worked very hard. But there were also those who profited to be in the shade of a real great act. I do not want to claim that their music and performances were not excellent (although it is a matter of taste, influenced by the time), but in no way they were the only ones!
 
Marc