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Carlo Celuque
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2018/01/15 20:26:27 (permalink)

What about new Windows Version?

Hi Sonar friends,
I have read the sad news about Sonar`s end and what will happen when a new Windows version comes out? Are we must have to stay locked to Win 10 in order to use Sonar?
 
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/15 21:34:06 (permalink)
In 1999, I used Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 on Windows 98 SE.  In 2018, I can still use Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 (to edit studioware panels) on Windows 10 Pro 64bit.

I personalty believe that Sonar will keep working for a long time yet, regardless of Windows versions.

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/15 22:15:51 (permalink)
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In 1999, I used Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 on Windows 98 SE.  In 2018, I can still use Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 (to edit studioware panels) on Windows 10 Pro 64bit.

I personalty believe that Sonar will keep working for a long time yet, regardless of Windows versions.


Nice to hear that promidi.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/15 23:24:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Radim 2018/01/16 12:08:23
On my collection of computers I have Sonar 8.5, X1LE, X3e, Home Studio and Platinum's last version. All run just fine on Windows 7 , 8.1  and 10. 
There is some who believe W 10 updates will someday make Sonar stop working. 
Personally I think that's being a bit overly paranoid, but I can see their point. Nobody really knows what the future brings right now. I'm optimistic that my future includes working with Sonar. If W10 kills that set up, I still have Sonar on W7 and W 8.1 which will not have the update issue. 

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/15 23:57:23 (permalink)
You can go ahead and scroll through the forum and find about frickety billion long threads discussing this exact same question.

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/15 23:57:25 (permalink)
So those of us that have a computer dedicated to Sonar Platinum are we better off just going without windows 10 updates at all and just running what we have as of this moment? I have a Yamaha AW16 G hard disc recorder that still works great it was sold back in 2003.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/16 12:01:37 (permalink)
We're not supposed to see a newer version of Windows - it's 10 in perpetuity, regularly updated. Time will tell if this turns out to be true.
For what it's worth, the recent creator's update (I think that's what it's called) broked my Sonar install.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/16 14:35:24 (permalink)
OK guys,
 
Thank you for your help!
I wish I can use Sonar for looooooong!
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 00:59:25 (permalink)
Run Pro
Run Windows update for business.
Never look back.
 
https://www.howtogeek.com/286658/how-to-change-how-long-updates-are-deferred-in-windows-10/
 
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 13:01:37 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere
Run Pro
Run Windows update for business.
Never look back.
 
https://www.howtogeek.com/286658/how-to-change-how-long-updates-are-deferred-in-windows-10/
 

Sorry, but just, no. My home machine is also my netflix machine, my internet browsing machine, my gaming machine. I'm not going to avoid updates. That's just bad advice. It's like suggesting that someone doesn't drive with a seatbelt in order to prevent chafing on their shoulder, or to disable the driver airbag in case it makes a loud startling noise in the event of a crash.
 
EDIT: Also worth pointing out, the link you supplied only defers them for about a month.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 13:44:06 (permalink)
I just updated to WIN 10 from WIN 8.1.... SPLAT is now in DEMO mode.  Is there a way to get this back to work in registered mode?

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 14:40:45 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere
Run Pro
Run Windows update for business.
Never look back.
 
https://www.howtogeek.com/286658/how-to-change-how-long-updates-are-deferred-in-windows-10/
 


ooblecaboodle
Sorry, but just, no. My home machine is also my netflix machine, my internet browsing machine, my gaming machine. I'm not going to avoid updates. That's just bad advice. It's like suggesting that someone doesn't drive with a seatbelt in order to prevent chafing on their shoulder, or to disable the driver airbag in case it makes a loud startling noise in the event of a crash.
 
EDIT: Also worth pointing out, the link you supplied only defers them for about a month.


Completely wrong, I said run Windows update for business and the link covers that. You should have read the full article not just the first part before going on a massive assumption fest.. If you can't be bothered search the page for "business".

As you can't be arsed to read I'll paste a quote, you can read the rest:

"The “Current Branch for Business” gets feature updates more slowly, and only when Microsoft feels they are ready for enterprise deployment. If you’d like to get feature updates sooner, choose “Current Branch.” If you’d like to delay new features as long as possible, choose “Current Branch for Business.”

This is standard method used by MS professionals supporting corporates who have critical software. Corporate running business critical software do not regularly take their PC's offline...think about it.

I should have added you should also always back up with something like Acronis True Image as well.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 14:44:14 (permalink)
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I just updated to WIN 10 from WIN 8.1.... SPLAT is now in DEMO mode.  Is there a way to get this back to work in registered mode?


Have you run CCC and rebooted?
Otherwise try reinstalling Sonar.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 18:22:25 (permalink)
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I just updated to WIN 10 from WIN 8.1.... SPLAT is now in DEMO mode.  Is there a way to get this back to work in registered mode?




Open Command Centre and sign in. Now Launch Sonar. It should authorise Splat. You only have to do this once.

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 23:22:44 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere

Completely wrong, I said run Windows update for business and the link covers that. You should have read the full article not just the first part before going on a massive assumption fest.. If you can't be bothered search the page for "business".

As you can't be arsed to read I'll paste a quote, you can read the rest:

"The “Current Branch for Business” gets feature updates more slowly, and only when Microsoft feels they are ready for enterprise deployment. 

Yeah, which means... they're delayed, not stopped completely. Still bad advice. Still incomplete advice.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/17 23:27:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sharke 2018/01/17 23:44:50
^^
Seriously.. learn to read and research. Learn to understand why features are offered as well...by Microsoft no less.

If you aren't installing updates then I suggest you go completely offline and don't install anything. Security updates happen for a reason... And you are not the OP either.

If you are on the internet you need to be installing security updates, if you want a reliable Windows 10 then go Windows update for business (let everybody else beta test first). And don't forget to do regular backups so you can roll back if necessary.

Or just go offline and retreat into a darkened bunker.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 02:43:45 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere
If you are on the internet you need to be installing security updates, if you want a reliable Windows 10 then go Windows update for business (let everybody else beta test first). And don't forget to do regular backups so you can roll back if necessary.


I have to agree with you here.

I have my machine connected to the internet 24/7 and I would not skip Windows updates on the extremely remote chance it might break Sonar.  Even if it did, you can always uninstall the update (or revert to a previous disk image if you have one).  Also, if a Microsoft update is going to bork Sonar, it is very likely to be an erroneous Microsoft provided driver that will do that.  I do not let Microsoft touch drivers but I update drivers manually from the manufacturer's website when available.

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 10:37:18 (permalink)
CakeAlexSHere
^^
Seriously.. learn to read and research. Learn to understand why features are offered as well...by Microsoft no less.


I DID. What have I said that's incorrect?
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 12:03:04 (permalink)
^^
The advice is NOT bad, I happen to know what I am talking about, and the reasons you gave clearly showed you only speed read the beginning of articles and jump to immediate conclusions (I have already demonstrated this to you without your acknowledgement). If you regard the advice being incomplete (which it is not) then go away and do some research, I'm not here to babyspoon you, you are a grown man (I assume). You appear to be fairly clueless and think if you can keep shouting similar things (without adding anything of substance yourself) and get away with it (a la Trump).. people however who can see right through you.

"My home machine is also my netflix machine, my internet browsing machine, my gaming machine. I'm not going to avoid updates."

I never said updates should be avoided. MS update for business is a service provided by MS that delays updates until they mature, it also rolls out security updates in a timely manner...again you didn't read the article.

More advise you will probably dismiss immediately as crap without a second thought, avoid running applications that may interfere with your DAW by multibooting into seperate Windows instances. Running games etc on the same OS installation as your DAW is hardly optimal.

Have a nice day.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 14:25:36 (permalink)
Alex, i see you are back to your old self.

You have your opinion, and always the last word, but please, let others breath without assassinating them.

We know you are the Windows guru, and sure, when you give info instead of machine gunning people, its mostly excellent advice.

The ego has landed, but leave it at the door, please.

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 16:17:51 (permalink)
ooblecaboodle
I'm not going to avoid updates.


ooblecaboodle
Still bad advice. Still incomplete advice"


ooblecaboodle
"Also worth pointing out, the link you supplied only defers them for about a month."


joakes
You have your opinion, and always the last word, but please, let others breath without assassinating them.


Yeah I don't have a right to respond to entirely incorrect comments and correct them because "ego". Must let others breathe whilst they call out my advice "bad" for no reason. Must now leave because you say so. Must tolerate your "ego has landed" comment.

Sure.
post edited by CakeAlexSHere - 2018/01/18 17:12:01
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 17:25:29 (permalink)

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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 17:37:49 (permalink)
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Well this looks promising.  I may update my main Daw.
 
https://www.pcmag.com/news/358589/tests-show-tiny-pc-performance-hit-from-meltdown-spectre-fi


Depends on what you have I guess, according to MS:

With Windows 10 on newer silicon (2016-era PCs with Skylake, Kabylake or newer CPU), benchmarks show single-digit slowdowns, but we don’t expect most users to notice a change because these percentages are reflected in milliseconds.

With Windows 10 on older silicon (2015-era PCs with Haswell or older CPU), some benchmarks show more significant slowdowns, and we expect that some users will notice a decrease in system performance.

With Windows 8 and Windows 7 on older silicon (2015-era PCs with Haswell or older CPU), we expect most users to notice a decrease in system performance.

https://cloudblogs.micros...ns-on-windows-systems/
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 18:49:09 (permalink)
In my experience Windows 10 is the first edition of Windows that somehow makes things work that didn’t work on some earlier versions. I really don’t see W10 being a problem. I can’t think of anything old that hasn’t run on it, software or hardware.. except the first version of Mixbus, I’ve never been able to get it to work. I wouldn’t worry about it but if you do worry, the next time there is a killer sale on S1, but it for peace of mind or just get Reaper. It isn’t as good but it’s cheap and you’ll have a backup DAW... but W10, IMO, isn’t going to break SPLAT. I think Microsoft wants their OS to run all modern software. If it runs now I expect it will always run.
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Re: What about new Windows Version? 2018/01/18 21:51:35 (permalink)
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In my experience Windows 10 is the first edition of Windows that somehow makes things work that didn’t work on some earlier versions. I really don’t see W10 being a problem. I can’t think of anything old that hasn’t run on it, software or hardware.. except the first version of Mixbus, I’ve never been able to get it to work. I wouldn’t worry about it but if you do worry, the next time there is a killer sale on S1, but it for peace of mind or just get Reaper. It isn’t as good but it’s cheap and you’ll have a backup DAW... but W10, IMO, isn’t going to break SPLAT. I think Microsoft wants their OS to run all modern software. If it runs now I expect it will always run.
J


Agree with statement but we can't be 100% sure... but then again we can workaround to make sure this does happen...

Windows update for business effectively installs updates that other users have tested so Win10 is less likely to break. Finally if you are regularly backing up with True Image you can always roll back if necessary (there is the guarantee).
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