What about the NEW X1??

Grumble Grouch Mumble Snort....

I've got to fix a brokedown car.....

It looks great if it works but so far the Pro Channel hasn't exactly been reliable for some of us.

The other question I have is, what about X1c? Are they going to release patches for it or are we going to be forced to get the Production Suite?

There's a lot of if's with this that are going to tweak some, and make others happy.

Bub


It looks great if it works but so far the Pro Channel hasn't exactly been reliable for some of us.

The other question I have is, what about X1c? Are they going to release patches for it or are we going to be forced to get the Production Suite?

There's a lot of if's with this that are going to tweak some, and make others happy.

The cynic in me thinks that perhaps X1 is not quite where they want it to be so rather than a full new product to gain revenue they add a little expansion to some bits of it.

I just reviewed the promotional materials...

My reaction; It feels like when I walk down the sidewalk of a big city and I encounter some guy in unwashed clothes sitting on the ground as he meticulously, and with loving care, folds long stalks of grass into a origami flower and he is hoping I will find some value in it.


I'd really like to throw the $50 in the hat... because it seems like the company is acting crippled and desperate at this point and it seems to be trying to cater to a entertain my self at home interest more so than the type of user interested in things like "gapless audio", synchronization confirmation protocols development, and perhaps a restoration of all the info previously available in the track view.


I realized last winter that I had been left on the raft when the X1 ship sailed off in another direction than my intended destination.

The latest offering confirms my suspicion... and I'm afraid Cakewalk can no longer coordinate enough improvement to provide the value I'm willing to pay for.

I would gladly pay many times the asking price... if some work was done on something I  consider important.


At $50... it's no harm, no foul... except that I am not getting any younger... and it seems like Cakewalk is going to take as long as it possibly can before it finally submits and allows SONAR to become a mature product.

Sometimes I wonder if there is just some basic fear on the part of the developers that once a product becomes accepted in the market as mature that everyone will be out of a job. I don't know... it seems crazy... but why else wouldn't the basic issues get fixed once and for all? It seems like everyone prefers the hysteria of "new" without regard for where we stand on the long spectrum of promise/expectation/experience.


The Pro Channel module seems destined to become a proprietary plug in insert channel for Roland's partners.... Cakewalk should have called it the 500 series.

Is the SoftTube™ a replacement for the horrible sounding PC Saturation tube? Apparently not... it's a second, *different* choice.

I can't see any benefit in using proprietary DSP for me... I intend to stick with my minimal collection of VSTs (primarily because I like the interfaces better) and avoid anything on that proprietary bus. I'm certainly not going to get locked into ProChannel with the existing plug in interfaces while hoping something with a proper interface is developed and made available. If and when... I might... if there's something good enough. The idea that we are getting improvements in the selection of "tubes" rather than an improved PC gui suggest to me that it will not be worth waiting. I'm going to continue with VSTs in the efx bin.

I'd like to say the Pro Channel is obviously just the reinvention of the wheel... but the reinvention of the tube saturation is just too obvious an example to pass up.  Aw forget it... I have nothing nice to say. :-)


So for me, I am faced with a dilemma, do I throw $50 in the hat and encourage Cakewalk to continue with what seems to me to be a lack of direction and hope the money will help it stay fit and healthy long enough to come to its senses, or do I abstain?

I would like to find a way to send the $50 in while registering clear duress to Cakewalk's management.

Maybe Cakewalk can offer that as an option in the shopping cart?



best regards,
mike

This may the year to do it.

Thanks for that.

best,
mike

Mail it to me Mike I'll see they know about it. :)

German chocolate, Pineapple upside down....lot's and lot's of cake but I've
never known a good one until I had a taste...so ya, I'll spend the 50 and give it
a shot.
Pissed off more than that since I joined the digital game and not folding yet.

Jonbouy


FWIW if Roland were looking for DSP firmware developers I personally don't think Cakewalk would get the job.  Roland are already really good at that stuff.

  The fact that Cakewalk has had a programming job opening listed for 3+/- years indicates to me that the company can't find a match up between the skills package it seeks and the budget it has.

  It's my impression that the USA is swimming in surplus and underemployed programming talent... yet there is a disconnect between aspiring businesses and the labor pool regarding the compensation threshold that can allow for an agreement.


  Anyways.


 best regards,
mike

What the heck.

$49 to be on the leading edge.

I'm in.

Jonbouy

bapu


What the heck.

$49 to be on the leading edge.

I'm in.

Atta Bouy...

Somehow methinks there is a transaction fee hidden in that reply.

one thing you will like Mike is that Seth says no X2 'in the fall or even early next year for NAMM' - so they are stopping this yearly release cycle. not that i care, being on 8.5 - can't see me upgrading until i get a new PC with win 8 or 9 and 8.5 isn't supported...

This may be a fork in the road for many. I've never really used 25% of Sonar's features until I jumped into X1 and I'm still on the learning curve. These new features in expanded are nice looking but I don't need them. Unfortunately I will buy them to protect my investment. I want the top of the line product. I have lesser versions collecting dust in the form of LE software that came with various hardware.

It would appear that Mike McQ has been right all along. There is a proprietary effects buss for the Pro Channel, it's a fact now. I have no idea why it was denied in the past. If the effects that are developed are good and affordable it will be the PC effects bin.

Some of the changes to PC should be provided to all X1 producer owners IMO. Collapsible sections and scrolling have been requested since day 1 for the PC. It doesn't seem right that we all won't get that.

One of the major reasons I didn't go to Pro tools is because the initial purchase was only the thin end of the wedge. If I wanted to get half of the X1 functionality I needed Pro Tools AND package A,B,C...... I'm thinking this is the new direction for Sonar. It will make collaboration more difficult between Sonar users now that PC has more than 1 version. No PC, normal PC and PC expanded.

My inner geek is in turmoil. Help me Spock.