What could cause new notes entered into the PRV of an existing MIDI clip not play?

This is a little weird and I'm hoping you guys could point me to whatever I'm overlooking.
 
I have a MIDI track feeding Addictive Drums. This is a clone of the original track that was play live into multiple takes and then comped and flattened.
 
In the clone I deleted all the other takes/clips and left only the flattened comp to work with.
 
Then I copied that clip into a new take so as I did my edits I could compare the original with my edited version.
 
I muted the original clip VIA Right Click > Mute/Unmute so I could use the Hide Muted Clips function in the PRV Views menu AND have that take lane muted. This is so I am only seeing the notes in the take I am editing.
 
When I move existing notes around to different articulations, spots on the grid or delete them the changes are audible so I know I am indeed working with the correct clip and my changes are taking effect in that instance of the PRV.
 
The problem is when I ENTER a new note it is not audible. I need to be able to do this to correct missed hits or do creative edits.
 
So I'm just hoping someone can look at that info and smack me upside the head with a "you need to do THIS, stoopid!" or "You forgot to _____, dum dum!" because I am sure it is something simple.
 
Thanks. ;-)

Hi, GM. I am inputting the notes directly onto the same line that other audible notes are occupying (it's the kick which plays throughout so it SHOULD be getting routed out to the AD kick but I'll poke around... not sure what to look for). I thought of the velocity issue and although for some odd reason the notes I think were being click written at 36vel when all the live input notes are 127 (the only velocity that is transmitted by the expression pedal I use to perform my kick parts) so I increased the velocity of the click and point input notes to 127 and there was no difference.
 
It's almost like when I input the notes they are writing to the muted clip and not the active one.
 
You know what... I'm gonna go mess around with that concept. Not sure why it would send the notes there though because the visible notes are indeed active.
 
BRB. Thanks.

Use the interpolate function if it is still there :) You could always use Omni and freeze the drums if you don't want to midi edit, but since you have velocity issues, that is probably moot. I would look for interpolate.
 

Copy your midi track to an earlier version of SONAR and use interpolate. Does X3 still support CAL? There are also some older CAL routines that may work too.

Is your track record enabled? If so, try disabling the record.

On a side note - How do you do a mass change of velocities in a single pass? I know you can drag notes in the PRV for a different kit piece, but how would you change the velocities short of drawing them in PRV?

You can click the piano key for that line of notes which will select all the notes. Then you can drag up to max velocity or type in the velocity you want in the Event Inspector.
 
And no I don't have record enabled I think but I'll double check. I was gonna wait until my edits were done and then import them into a new project because this one is getting a little hairy but if a reboot doesn't fix it I may have to do it now instead.
 
It's only two tracks. My scratch guitar line which I used to arrange and my drum line but both tracks have an extraordinary amount of takes, clones and edits that were created as I built up the song.
 
So yeah... guess maybe I'll drag the two base clips into my template and deal with any routing as need be but it should be the same as the template because that's where I started.

Although you were definitely correct as always, scook the process would still be tedious because I'd only be adding a note here and there as needed and they would need to be audible as I worked through the track. Therefore I'd have to change the channel each time.
 
Doesn't matter though because that does not seem to be the problem...
 
actually I still don't know what the problem is now. :-/

Beepster
Although you were definitely correct as always, scook the process would still be tedious because I'd only be adding a note here and there as needed and they would need to be audible as I worked through the track. Therefore I'd have to change the channel each time.

That is why I don't bother to change the channel on the drum tracks. I leave them at 1 like all the other tracks.
 
As far as the notes not playing, are you using lanes or tracks for each instrument? If tracks try bouncing the clips.
 

Guitarmech111

scook

Guitarmech111

On a side note - How do you do a mass change of velocities in a single pass? I know you can drag notes in the PRV for a different kit piece, but how would you change the velocities short of drawing them in PRV?

The same way I described above to change the channel

you didn't really describe 'how'. You just said to do so. ;)

That is how it is done
1) Select the notes, clips or entire track
2) Change the value in the event inspector to the desired value. The value must be different than the value already in the inspector. To change all notes the the value current in the inspector requires changing the value to a temporary value then repeating the process to set the value.

So I restarted Sonar and now the new inputted notes are defaulting to 1 again. I switched them to ten, I tried messing with the i/o section of the Track Pane to switch to MIDI 10 (which makes them input at 10) BUT THE DAMNED NOTES REFUSE TO PLAY!!!
 
Man... I just want to get some freaking work done. This should be so simple. :-(
 

Yeah, it's a really helpful vid.
 
For me I THOUGHT I had my PRV workflow down but this damned note thing is driving me nuts. I'm almost ready to call support long distance if a full reboot doesn't fix it. Ugh.

fwiw - all of my drum notes are channel one. I dropped them from Superior Drummer 2 groove library. They play without issue. I think the channel pursuit may be a red herring.
 
If you can point me to the project, I will try to open it here and see if it works or not.
 
I was confusing Event View with Event inspector. That was my disconnect. Sorry guys. :) That was a good video though.

I understand what you're saying Stephen, but unless his virtual drummer is an octopus, polyphony should never be an issue with drum synths I'd have thought.

UPDATE: I was totally WRONG and do not know why my record mode solution worked because I did NOT do what I am about to explain originally which IS the solution...
 
So when you enter new notes into the tracks PRV it WILL create a new take lane BUT if you have Take Lanes for the track already open it will not appear. Also the new lane, at least in my case will be muted so the notes ARE indeed there. The lane is just muted. Holy crap. My notes are STILL being registered on Channel 1 instead of Channel 10 but they are indeed playing. What a mess and a total waste of an afternoon. So it is NOT depending on the recording mode. It is a matter of inputting some notes, breaking open the take lanes (or closing and reopening the take lanes) the Unmuting the new take lane.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
 
The solution offered below this vvvvvvvvvv line is NOT correct!
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AAAARRRRRGHHHH!!!!
 
It was because of the comping mode!!! I switched it to Sound On Sound and now the new notes are working!
 
I have NO idea WHY that works the way it does but I figured it out by going to a completely empty area of the PRV and inputting a ton of notes to see which clip/take on the track they would appear on. The answer is NONE. They weren't showing up on the existing clips but WERE showing up in the parent track BUT not creating a new lane or a new clip in the take lanes area.
 
It made no sense so just by total fluke and because it had solved previous weirdness I was experiencing while tracking in X3 using Comp Mode I switched to the old Sound On Sound.
 
TADA!!! Inputted notes sounding properly. At least they did just a second ago.
 
Good god that took WAY too long to figure out. I'll "laugh" about it in a couple hours but right now between that and the non stop freaking dance music I've been blasted with from my neighbors the past few days I feel like I'm ready for the funny farm... well more so than usual.
 
Anyway, thanks for bearing with me guys and if you see anyone encountering this issue tell them to try disabling Comp Mode. I cannot explain WHY it works but it does.
 
Cheers.

Well the MIDI clips do show up as takes with their own lanes and can be selected, comped, moved around, whatever like audio clips. In regards to the PRV though there does seem to be some kind of disconnect that I guess I'll figure out soon enough (like in the next half hour as I see what happens with my freshly inputted data).
 
I just expected the notes to appear in the in focus lane however that might be horribly wrong.
 
I will report back later on my findings.

Perhaps it's because I am a relative newcomer to MIDI and things just aren't done this way but why the heck can we not just select a MIDI clip and edit it in complete isolation from all the others without a bunch of extra weirdness? I know you can hide notes and this that and the other but to me it should be one clip, one PRV. Then consolidate clips as need be VIA bounce.
 
Or at least have a mode in preferences or one of the context menus that allows this type of behavior. Jamming everything together is confusing and seems to only be beneficial for specific purposes. :-/