What do you think of your Reflexion Filter?

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2011/09/01 20:56:56 (permalink)

What do you think of your Reflexion Filter?

     Yes, Im very aware this is not an X1 only topic...Im only concerned with the $300 dollar filter. Ive been told many times that the cheaper (vox guard) is garbage so im not concerned with that, unles you use it and have a different opinion of it, tell me what you think. I have no closet or booth that i can sound proof, my setup is against the wall of my gameroom, which is at least 20x20. So im wondering where should i invest my money, 300 for the filter and a quilt up against the wall, or is 300 enough to buy a decent amount of insulation for the walls. If so would that even put a dent in the reverb? Like i said my room is fairly large, and despite much furniture, there is a pretty intense reverb that is currently unshakeable. recording in another room is not an option.
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    yorolpal
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/01 20:58:02 (permalink)
    I love mine.  It makes my bedroom sound better than my purpose built broadcast studio...almost;-)

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/01 21:02:58 (permalink)
    I view mine as one of the most useful tools I have, no joke. It's fantastically useful in my home studio, but the fact that I can throw it in a hold-all and create a tiny sphere of recording-friendly space anywhere I need to record something is incredibly useful.

    Once you wrap your head around how to get the best use of it, it's staggering value for money.

    Used it for a bunch of sung vocals and a ton of VO recording, all commercially released, for the record. If it got stolen or lost, I would buy another immediately, is another way to put it.

    I know some people are not impressed.... I think Bitflipper is a Reflexion filter skeptic if memory serves, and for entirely sound reasons. So do weigh up all opinions.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/01 22:26:59 (permalink)
    I was given one with a microphone bundle purchase.

    I gave it to a friend.

    He says he likes it using it.

    I told him I think it's the dumbest thing ever.

    We're both happy.


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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/01 22:39:45 (permalink)
    I think it depends on how good or bad your room was to begin with. I have a treated, good sounding room and bought one anyway. Absolutely hated it - I was hearing comb filtering and it just sounded horrid. And I did try out every possible position of the mic/filter! Fortunately they're so popular I was able to sell it quickly for almost what I paid for it.

    But I'd imagine if your room sounds bad to begin with, then maybe the benefits would outweigh the negatives? I don't know, but I hated mine...

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/01 23:17:34 (permalink)
    Which version did you and Mike have?  The full version has been pretty thoroughly tested and actually seems to do what it claims.  They do have a lower priced "studio version" which I don't know the specs on.  But I stand by my assessment.  And you can check out some of the music on my sites.  Most vocals all done using it. Of course, YMMV:-)
     
    Hey...James, ol pal.  I just went and listened to some of your stuff...great guitar work!!  So were you using the "guitar amp" version??  I didn't hear any vocals on your stuff. 
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 04:23:06 (permalink)
    Thanks yorolpal! No it wasn't the guitar amp version I had, but the vocal one. I bought it for use with clients, and I sing too, just nothing up on that site - check back there in a couple of months though, I'm in the process of recording my songs (with voice)...

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 04:35:29 (permalink)
    thanks for the answers. Ive heard nothing but good things about it and am psyched to try one out. IVe heard that its top heavy design makes it difficult to balance on the mic stand, is this true? Ive even seen people using cymbal stands from their drumsets. its not THAT big of an issue is it?
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 05:07:40 (permalink)
    Yeah it's a beast of a thing. There's an SOS article where they showed you how to modify it so you can use it on a normal stand.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 05:29:53 (permalink)
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    I think it depends on how good or bad your room was to begin with. I have a treated, good sounding room and bought one anyway. Absolutely hated it - I was hearing comb filtering and it just sounded horrid. And I did try out every possible position of the mic/filter! Fortunately they're so popular I was able to sell it quickly for almost what I paid for it.

    But I'd imagine if your room sounds bad to begin with, then maybe the benefits would outweigh the negatives? I don't know, but I hated mine...

    I'm a bit puzzled by this. Are you saying you were using it in a room where you don't normally get comb filtering, and this added comb filtering?
     
    Maybe I'm being stupid, but I can't even see how that's possible.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 06:28:16 (permalink)
    There are a few oh so handy gizmos that have come out over the years and the reflexion Filter is one of them. there are a fw different brands and can only talk about the one I have an SM PRO AUDIO PF01.

    When used correctly you can get extraordinary results in some pretty bad rooms. For me its made the difference between useable and non-useable vocal recordings. Along with the ubiquitous SOS 'duvet' or doona I don't think you can get 2 more flexible and useful tools for an improvised studio on the go for vocal recordings. I've even used the reflexion filter in front of a mic'd acoustic guitar with the duvet in the corner trick as per vocals with some pretty surprisingly posistive results. If you take your time at the capture stage you can save hours at the mixing/mastering.

    I agree that it can take a bit of juggling and balancing to get it all physically balanced but once you've got the hang of it it's not an issue really. I have a few particularly sturdy AKG mic stands which I use for stuff like this. There's lots of new whizz bang type stands out there too that could make it all very sturdy and even easier to setup.

    If you have a chance to borrow a refelxsion filter do so. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how useful it can really be. My recording room's not too bad but I still use the filter. I reckon its much better value than a vocal booth and obviously a lot cheaper. I guess we often make compromises on the road to getting the results we want/end up with. Sometimes budget constrains our choices. This is one gizmo that means you don't have to be trapped in a bad room with nowhere to go to get a good vocal.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 07:35:33 (permalink)
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    Which version did you and Mike have?  The full version has been pretty thoroughly tested and actually seems to do what it claims.  They do have a lower priced "studio version" which I don't know the specs on.  But I stand by my assessment.  And you can check out some of the music on my sites.  Most vocals all done using it. Of course, YMMV:-)
     
    Hey...James, ol pal.  I just went and listened to some of your stuff...great guitar work!!  So were you using the "guitar amp" version??  I didn't hear any vocals on your stuff. 


    I was sent the fancy full version that was thoroughly tested.

    It is the dumbest thing ever.



    If it makes your vocals sound better.... who can argue?

    Of course... you probably know I consider you a musical madman of the highest order... I love your vocals. :-)



    best regards,
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 07:38:29 (permalink)
    What in particular is dumb about it?

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 08:16:39 (permalink)
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    What in particular is dumb about it?


    Can yours speak out in its own defence?

    That's profoundly dumb right there, no?

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 11:06:25 (permalink)
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    thanks for the answers. Ive heard nothing but good things about it and am psyched to try one out. IVe heard that its top heavy design makes it difficult to balance on the mic stand, is this true? Ive even seen people using cymbal stands from their drumsets. its not THAT big of an issue is it?

    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may09/articles/qa0509_2.htm
     
    Here's one solution to the "too heavy" problem.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 11:15:30 (permalink)
    While I initialy purchased mine (the full model made by SE) to use in my bedroom project studio I found a great use for it at our "B" studio downtown as well.  The B suite is quite literally "closer to Main street" which runs in front of our building and in that voiceover room it was possible...even with all the sonic treatments to still get the occasional loud motorcycle, poilice car siren, and (when they were building the new drugstore across the street last summer) heavy construction noises that would slightly intrude on a session.  Ordinarily we'd just wait for the noise to cease or excise it later with Izotope's RX.  We found, however that the Reflexion Filter worked just as well as a noise blocker on the voiceover mike.  Really, I was very skeptical of it at first and probably wouldn't have even bought it if I had not been offered a "no-brainer" deal from my local GC.  But now I wouldn't be without it.  It works as advertised.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 11:17:57 (permalink)
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    I'm a bit puzzled by this. Are you saying you were using it in a room where you don't normally get comb filtering, and this added comb filtering?
     
    Maybe I'm being stupid, but I can't even see how that's possible.
    If you stick it the mic too far into the screen you definitely get bad mid-freq comb filtering cause of reflections from the device itself. Careful placement is vital.
     
    I don't know if the "full" version (which I have) is so much better than the cheap knockoffs (which I haven't tried). The low-mid/bass attenuation isn't much to brag about anyway. What it does well is kill flutter echoes so it's great for bringing with you to an untreated "location" recording. It doesn't do much by way of taming bad room modes IMO.
     
    Nice tool but the "full" version is ridiculously overpriced IMHO.
     
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 11:18:35 (permalink)
    I use it for a lot of voice over work as I have a not so good room for that kind of thing and it works quite well. It killed all the ambient room reflections I was getting and made it so I didn't have to "cozy" up to the mic as much with helped greatly.
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 11:21:51 (permalink)
    Definetly agree with Sven regarding mic placement.  But that's fortunately not hard to adjust.  Also agree (sort of) about pricing...it's not cheap.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 12:49:30 (permalink)
    I modified mine as suggested by the SOS article and that really made a difference in the balancing for use with a less than heavy duty mic stand.
    I don't have a treated room and I don't need to with this device. Good product. Pricey but worth it.
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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 21:26:30 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info folks... have been thinking about one of these for the meantime until the new room(s) get built. May be worth actually purchasing or doing a DIY version perhaps.... Big cheers.

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    Re:What do you think of your Reflexion Filter? 2011/09/02 21:28:40 (permalink)
    doubled post delete... weirdnes #7864
    post edited by Mully - 2011/09/02 21:35:31

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