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What do you use to brighten your tracks ?

Hello,

EQ aside (which can sound obvious or artificial), what do you use to brighten up your tracks, add some glassy sparkle, etc ?
Preferably something that retains as much clarity as possible and doesn't introduce synthetic distortion (as some tube plugs can, etc)

I've tried BBE Maximizer before, any other suggestions or plug-in recommendations ?

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post edited by SonicExplorer - 2007/11/21 22:45:33
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/21 22:38:02 (permalink)
    Ozone

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/21 22:46:45 (permalink)
    EQ, good mics, and a good sound source/signal path is all I use. This is a time-tested and proven method of creating quality tracks. Make sure you're using quality EQs. Also, don't forget that brightness doesn't just come from boosting higher frequencies - it also comes from cutting mid and low frequencies. A good linear phase EQ applied at the pre-mastering stage is a crucial step, IME. I also use Har-Bal to balance out my songs' frequency spectrums, but that is also essentially just using an EQ.

    BTW, I had the BBE Sonic Maximizer plugin for a while and THAT sounds very obvious and artificial - it adds a horrendously annoying phasey sound to tracks.



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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/21 22:48:13 (permalink)
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/21 22:49:58 (permalink)

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/21 23:57:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cryophonik

    EQ, good mics, and a good sound source/signal path is all I use. This is a time-tested and proven method of creating quality tracks. Make sure you're using quality EQs. Also, don't forget that brightness doesn't just come from boosting higher frequencies - it also comes from cutting mid and low frequencies. A good linear phase EQ applied at the pre-mastering stage is a crucial step, IME. I also use Har-Bal to balance out my songs' frequency spectrums, but that is also essentially just using an EQ.

    BTW, I had the BBE Sonic Maximizer plugin for a while and THAT sounds very obvious and artificial - it adds a horrendously annoying phasey sound to tracks.



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    +1 for this. I'm using a new mic and wow...what a difference. I also had to have my preamp sent out for repairs and am using a lesser quality one...what a difference that has made on brightness also. Good thing is the new mic sounds way better even on the lesser preamp...so hopefully it will completely floor me when my regular one is back home.

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 00:01:19 (permalink)
    I also use Har-Bal to balance out my songs' frequency spectrums, but that is also essentially just using an EQ.


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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 00:03:13 (permalink)
    +1 for Ozone. I like to use the multiband harmonic exciter across either the drum bus or the entire instrument bus. Really adds sparkle to cymbals.

    On some songs, Har-Bal's "Air" effect does an amazing bit of magic, spreading the stereo and brightening up the song. I'm not sure what it really does, but I expect it's similar to the BBE Sonic Maximizer, some combination of harmonic enhancement and banded delays. It's hard to describe the effect, but when it works it's pretty cool. And of course Har-Bal's an awesome linear-phase mastering equalizer, too.



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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 00:04:51 (permalink)
    Don, the good news is that Har-Bal's only a hundred bucks. Less than you paid for your new mic, I'd wager.


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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 00:12:18 (permalink)
    Preferably something that retains as much clarity as possible and doesn't introduce synthetic distortion (as some tube plugs can, etc)

    Is that a bad thing?
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 00:18:55 (permalink)
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    Don, the good news is that Har-Bal's only a hundred bucks. Less than you paid for your new mic, I'd wager.

    Yes...quite a bit less...and the good news is I have not bought it yet.

    My new acquisitions have been bitter sweet. Totally love the new mic
    But my nice preamp went out.

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    Sounds like the beginning of a possible song title and set of lyrics...that's always a good thing though

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 00:44:01 (permalink)
    Jeez, man, that's a bad day. Better buy a lottery ticket tomorrow - I mean, when the roulette table hits black four times in a row, the next spin's gotta be red, right?



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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 07:54:53 (permalink)
    EQ aside (which can sound obvious or artificial), what do you use to brighten up your tracks, add some glassy sparkle, etc ?

    I sprinkle pixie dust on my guitar before recording. Ok, i like to record guitars mic'ed with amps and record as much as i can live and not going direct. i started mic'ing my bass cab also in combo with my bass pod or hartke pre amp. alot of times a nice $2000 pre amp and a $1500 mic will add some sparke to your recording that wasnt there before, but dont fal into the trap of thinking that buying high end stuff will work, it depends on how you use it.
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 09:21:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: doncolga

    My new acquisitions have been bitter sweet. Totally love the new mic



    Which is the new one? The C414 or the KSM-32? They're direct competitors, right?

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 11:40:42 (permalink)
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 12:00:07 (permalink)
    I use a Baxandall EQ curve which is similar to a shelf but rises indefinitely. It also moves the phase shift in a more linear fashion away from the human weighted areas making it much smoother in image and transparency.

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 12:44:23 (permalink)

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 13:18:59 (permalink)
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 14:38:53 (permalink)
    Thew BBE plugin gets a bad rap now, but it still is a good tool when used in moderation. If EQ can't seem to give you what you want, the BBE is a valid alternative. Similar to the BBE is Voxengo's Warmifier, but I think that does introduce some mild distortions that you are trying to avoid. Maybe another possibility would be to try a multiband compressor and isolate just a certain region of the highs and lightly compress only those?
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 15:13:31 (permalink)
    Some kind of spectral enhancer is a good place to start.

    I don't know why you ruled out EQ so fast, it's really the best tool!

    You can also play around with maybe some distortion tucked underneath the mix, especially if you get REALLY creative and apply it to a double of the track that is totally hi-passed, so only the top end getst the crackle.

    You can use Motown Compression on the track, that usually brings out some presence (though again EQ is an ingredient in that solution too).


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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 15:23:38 (permalink)
    I am getting some terrific results from VC-64. It's a really cool plugin. I also use the PSP Vintage Warmer to brighten up certain drum and guitar tracks.
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 15:59:32 (permalink)
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 17:01:57 (permalink)
    Cryophonic & Cj said it already - learn to use your equipment right & instead of boosting highs - cut the frequencies that makes your sound muddy i.e. mids & lows.

    I reeeeeeally like VC64

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 17:11:14 (permalink)

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    This looks pretty cool (at least the price is right). Anyone have any firsthand experience with this? I'm wondering what it could do for my humble little Ovation Celebrity.
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 19:14:07 (permalink)
    No experience of the Cryosonic, but a search on KVR for freebies yielded these results.

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 19:21:22 (permalink)

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    Cryophonic & Cj said it already - learn to use your equipment right & instead of boosting highs - cut the frequencies that makes your sound muddy i.e. mids & lows.

    I reeeeeeally like VC64

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    Hi pgw,

    Hope you don't take this the wrong way. Not meant as an attack on you, but you make it sound like pros that really know how to use their equipment "right" never use eq to boost highs. That's just not true. Subtractive eq has it's uses, but high-end eq from the likes of Neve, Pultec, Manley, Avalon, Emperical Labs, Great River, CraneSong, Summit, Millenia, API, and SSL, are OFTEN used to brighten up a track, mix, or sub-mix with eq boost. Eq is definitely used to add "glassy sparkle" as in the O.P.'s question. What you hear on CDs just doesn't sound that way in a room... so how could you expect to "capture" it naturally that way by just "learning to use your equipment right"?

    Understand, I'm not sayin' that if you want a bright snare or sparkling acoustic guitar that you shouldn't choose your mics and preamps wisely. I just suppose though that if you owned a few of those amazing eq's, you'd be using them to brighten up tracks, and then you WOULD be using your equipment "right" because that's what those eq's are designed for.

    Sorry... I just hear that pat answer a little too often.

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 20:45:32 (permalink)
    Great replies, thanks !

    I couldn't agree with Steve more. Knowing how to use your gear only flies UP TO A POINT. After which, to get a modern production CD sound it requires extra spit-n-polish that most gear (even very high-end stuff) is not going to yield during the natural recording process. So while it's true no amount of polish is going to shine a turd, polish is needed at some areas of just about every mix to get it brightened up and sparkling. And sometimes even more of that spit-n-polish is applied at mastering time.

    Saying it's as simple as having the right room, mics, preamps and technique is just not accurate. Granted, if you are recording a 3-piece polka band the end results aren't as demanding as say a metal mix (where there's lot of high end in the guitars and cymbals and kick/snare attack). So in the case of a 3-piece polka band maybe the room, mic, preamps and technique are adequate.

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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/22 22:01:12 (permalink)
    My mixing skills just do not give me that radio ready high end sheen well enough yet. Boosts with high quality eqs to the entire mix don't get me all the way there either. I also use har-bal. CLAS over the mix bus helps, but crysonics Spectralive NXT justs seems to nail it for me. Gives it that air and stereo widening all together. YMMV.
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    RE: What do you use to brighten your tracks ? 2007/11/23 08:08:48 (permalink)
    I couldn't agree with Steve more. Knowing how to use your gear only flies UP TO A POINT. After which, to get a modern production CD sound it requires extra spit-n-polish that most gear (even very high-end stuff) is not going to yield during the natural recording process. So while it's true no amount of polish is going to shine a turd, polish is needed at some areas of just about every mix to get it brightened up and sparkling. And sometimes even more of that spit-n-polish is applied at mastering time.

    I dont know about that. Gear isnt going to save you, most music producers get a polished sound before the audio hits the tape or a sequiencer like PT or sonar. If it isnt recorded right, then it will never sound right.

    Producers and engineers dont depend on equipment to get a good sound, they rely on there ears and the performance of who ever is recording the instrument. No gear will give you a polished sound, theres no majic button or pixie dust. If you went out and got a $10,,000 pre amp and a $5,000 mic and a 6,000 compressor, its a waste of money ion the wrong hands. It needs to get recorded the right way first and if its recorded the right way first, then you dont need to mess with it and maybe add some complemetary EQ to it
    your falling down this trap of thinking gear will make you mix sound better, No it wont. You can make your mix sound better
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