What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk?

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2011/02/27 13:31:51 (permalink)

What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk?

Hi everyone,

Why has Cakewalk never released a new v3 version of Porject 5? They could have made so much money and a such great interface!

This software is a killer, I own both sonar 7 producer edition( which I find horrible to work with) and Project 5, I can create a very good tune extremely fast with Project5! While with Sonar......it takes ages, you spend more time playing with the gadgets than the actual creation.

Please Cakewalk team, explain why? Thank you.

In the mean time, I am working on a documentary project, I would like to sync the video while playing, I cannot find a single video VST out there, no idea why.

How can I use Project 5 as the host and sonar 7 producer edition as the slave via rewire? I can do the opposite without a problem but I don't want that.

Thanks for the help,


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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/02/27 18:22:24 (permalink)
    Ben,

    P5 V1 was a soft synth tool squencer for the most part.  V2 added recording mutlitple tracks.  I imagine it was too costly to keep improving and as another DAW mostly cut into Cake's own product line.  If you buy the next generation SOnar's you'll see a lot of ideas implemented (step sequencer, etc.), but P5 remains the easiest soft synth/looping host around.

    As far as rewiring, the easiest thing to do is start your program out in P5 (esp. for softsynths) rewired into SONAR.  Then bounce them to audio and drag the clips to SONAR.  SONAR has a better mix engine and general mixing environment to my mind.  Best of both worlds, tho there is that extra step of bouncing involved.

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/02/27 18:33:11 (permalink)
    Hi AT,

    Thanks for the reply,

    I am very surprised no one on the net made a simple and easy video VST plugin.
    About Sonar VS Project 5, I am not sure about the mixing, if you get nice plugins like ozone and other top compressors/effects, I think you can get a pretty nice mix in a very short amount of time.

    I really hate the Sonar interface, I played with it tonight(producer 7 edition) one more time, and I have to say, it will never come out of the box again, too many buttons, I do not like the step sequencer, you load 1 single dxi and 3 left windows shows up making the full thing really complicated when at the end of the day, our job is just about making music :-)

    With Project 5 I keep adding DXI, VST and effects, it is just becoming better and better each time. If you add all the Native instrument kore players, wow you get a fantastic interface. The only down point is the wave manipulation which is not in Project 5, that's sad.

    If they were making a V3.0 ,I would buy it straight away, I have never liked a sequencer as much as this one.

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/02/28 13:23:27 (permalink)
    I'm with you, but unfortunately Cake dropped P5.  A few years ago there were many threads about it.  It was written by one employee who then left.  A shame, because for many using a lot of soft-synths/loops it was great.

    As far as mixing, P5 is fine.  But SONAR does have the 64 bit engine, which is nice.  The new X1 interface is a lot cleaner, tho it is still more complex than P5.  But P5 never took off like Cake hoped, I guess, most users do more recording rather than in the box production and it distracted customers from the flagship SONAR.  At the time I thought it didn't make much sense commerically, but many of us P5 users continually hoped there would be a VST or P5 plugin as the wait for V3 extended for years.

    As I said, Cake tacked on some P5 featurettes into SONAR, tho even something as simple as replacing a synth is still a pita.

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/02/28 13:29:51 (permalink)
    Hi AT,

    Yes this is actually a good point, the 64 bit engine is excellent and you can add multiple tracks together with no slow down. In order to compensate with Project 5, I keep freezing(the freezing option) the tracks when I have more than 20, I have a quad core 3.2 Ghz with 8 Gigs of ram with XP PRO 64Bit and never get any crash which is great.

    The other good point you are making is that Sonar is excellent for people who have to record external instruments with of course the right hardwares attached to it, project 5 will not work well for this type of set up, not enough options, but if you are crazy about virtual synths and samples, I think Cakewalk is good enough.
    I will send you a few tunes I have made with Project 5 via PM.

    Nice chatting to you,


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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/03 15:57:42 (permalink)
    I'm still using P5 after six + years and i will always use it.

    I'm an unashamed P5 fanboy btw.
    post edited by blipp - 2011/03/03 16:18:27
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/03 17:13:44 (permalink)
    fangirl here . . . P5 changed my life !  Became music diva (in my mind) with P5 like no other DAW could have so quickly.

    My Music...over 20 songs now! 

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/04 16:12:41 (permalink)
    With the matrix P5 appeared to be competing with Ableton Live. Unfortuneately this was a difficult competitor to beat. Perhaps one of the reasons cake dropped P5.

    I'm with you p5 is easy to create tracks on like nothing I have ever used, and further more because it lacks some things it lets you focus on the music instead on focusing on getting parts that you not going to keep perfect, but that's just me.
    post edited by strom32 - 2011/03/08 00:52:35
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/04 17:58:41 (permalink)
    My personal view on this is that once the original creator of P5 left Cakewalk, no one knew what to do with it after that - there was no real vision for it. So it consequently became something that only got token attention and programming time between Sonar (and it's variants) updates; it was left to fester for too long and it would have required a huge amount of time and effort to really bring it up to date feature-wise - the decision to kill it and absorb some of it's features into Sonar was the easier choice. Not sure the absorption has been a total success though...
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/08 00:55:15 (permalink)
    Cake should resurrect P5 to V3 now that they may have increased their market share with x1.........Now that's a thought.
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/08 22:21:34 (permalink)
    I loved P5 1.5 . Remember the cool box that v.1 came in? Version 2 was starting to get a bit complex- maybe it could be seen as diverting interest from Sonar.

    I would love a 64bit, multi core supporting 1.5!!!

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/03/31 03:03:30 (permalink)
    This software is a killer, I own both sonar 7 producer edition( which I find horrible to work with) and Project 5, I can create a very good tune extremely fast with Project5! While with Sonar......it takes ages, you spend more time playing with the gadgets than the actual creation.
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/04/24 19:39:28 (permalink)


    I 100% agree P5 is some much easier to create songs with , I have Sonar Home Studio 7 XL and after using it before I got a hold of P5 I hated it .
    When Blipp turned me on to P5 SHS7XL was history , I have created so many good tunes with my copy of Project 5 and I'm still happy with how it works .

    CakeWalk in my opinon lost out by dropping P5 , I guess it was too good compaired to Sonar so they dropped it so they could sell their higher end Sonar products .
    Who knows but I'm glad I purchased my copy before they disappeared .

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/05/19 23:33:49 (permalink)
    I'm with you p5 is easy to create tracks on like nothing I have ever used, and further more because it lacks some things it lets you focus on the music instead on focusing on getting parts that you not going to keep perfect, but that's just me.



     

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2011/05/21 14:49:53 (permalink)
    Yeah - My primary use of P5 is like a "scratchpad". I can test out ideas in a fast way. I than can incorporate the outcome in Sonar X1, add the audio stuff etc. and do the final mixing in X1. In that way you use the specific power of each program. For me P5 is not a great program to do mixing and (for me a limited bit with my knowledge) mastering. At the other hand - X1 is a bit limited in editing MIDI. It is not easy to just click a loop and edit only that part, because you are always taken to the now-time and you have to search where the h**l the part was gone you want to edit. Very annoying...

    So - the combination X1 and P5 is a very strong one.
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/08/17 01:58:45 (permalink)
    I wish they still developed P5.  I just installed 2.5 again after all these years and it is depressing thinking about how good this version and what could of been.  I would much rather use P5 then Sonar as it is really inspiring to write something in.
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/08/17 10:00:43 (permalink)
    Discussion is here
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3245438
     
    We can pretty much forget ever seeing a new version of P5.

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/10/13 22:35:47 (permalink)
    Used p5 with sonar hs7 and vista liked its rewire.thinking about p5 and sonar x3 studio with w7..
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/10/18 12:51:02 (permalink)
    P5 in so many ways was the Apple iPod of DAWS - but nobody knew how to market or what to do with it.  Maybe it was more like the BeOS of of DAWS.  It was so deceptively clean that it let me focus on the music w.o the interface getting in the way.  I hated it when CW dropped it, and it still influences my trust and faith in them.
     
    It's sad that the trend is now toward the "kitchen sink" DAW that includes 5 zillon "features" and seems to suck the life out of productivity.  
     
     
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/10/21 22:44:54 (permalink)
    Holy crap ............... it's like a P5 reunion here. Hi'ya all. Hope your all doing great.

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/10/27 23:12:43 (permalink)
    P 5 runs better now on the machines I have today then what I had when I first started using P5 
    It is also pretty nice that a lot of the plugs , synths and 3rd party gifts I got w X3 play nice with P5 ….
     
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/10/29 23:55:30 (permalink)
     It runs like crap on my i7 4790.  Maybe hyperthreading is the fault.

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     It runs like crap on my i7 4790.  Maybe hyperthreading is the fault.

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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/10/31 16:53:55 (permalink)
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     It runs like crap on my i7 4790.  Maybe hyperthreading is the fault.


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    I'm sorry to hear that you are having that type of experience running P5 on your machine ..
     
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/11/07 09:59:01 (permalink)
    For me the big issue is memory.  You can't run Addictive Drums and NI Rickenbacker and Vintage Keys at the same time.  I tried jBridge, but it would lose the instruments I had loaded.
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/12/24 14:44:45 (permalink)
    Well this necro bump is only 2 months old.  Glad to still see folks still talking about P5.  Still use my old P5 box as a stand for my audio interface.  It's been crystal clear all these years that the program clicked really well with folks.  Evidently it didn't click business wise which is too bad.
     
    I know a number of former P5ers including myself moved on to Ableton Live.  If you're up for a little learning curve, Ableton offers a very nice workflow IMO plus many, many other advantages.   
     
    Hope everyone is doing well.  Looks like the old P5 refugee forum finally bit the dust for good.  Everyone has scattered to the winds.   
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    Re:What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/12/25 10:59:01 (permalink)
    Not everyone.  I still have a couple of your songs on the playlist. 

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    Re: What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2015/12/27 21:15:29 (permalink)
    I have taken the "East West" library and re-voiced several of my old P5 songs and, what a world of difference. I love P5, as you all know, but the changing of instruments sure made a huge difference, and a whole new try at using P5 more. I am going to try and use the library in real time and see how it all works out. 

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    Re: What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2016/04/13 14:25:46 (permalink)
    yeah P5 was awesome.  i don't have it installed on my pc because it is a 32 bit program, and i quit using all 32 bit music software years ago.  i ended up going with a combination of Maschine & Sonar Platinum, but i am pretty sure that if Cakewalk put out an update to P5 (multi-core & 64 bit) i would use that in a heartbeat because Native Instruments has proven itself pretty lazy when it comes to Maschine development, still very clunky!  Too bad Cakewalk can't just outsource the coding work necessary to update P5 for today's modern PCs

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    Re: What happened to Project 5 Cakewalk? 2016/04/13 18:49:23 (permalink)
    I would love to see an updated P5 ...

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