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2015/09/21 06:20:02 (permalink)

What has happened to music today!!

Dear All
 
Music today seems to be all the same and all tech and no inventiveness.
The other day I listened to the B side of the Small faces Ogden Nut Brown Flake and what a refreshing piece of Inventiveness.
Well That Is on the English side of what I think
on the American side I would say Chicago are one of the greatest USA bands,with lots of clever and enjoyable brass work.
Bring back music not lego brick cut and paste!!!!!
Any Dj can do that
I am so greatefully to the great being upstairsy for half of the musical makesy only, see's the moon half dangly!¬!
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 08:11:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2015/09/25 15:46:00
What music are you listening to? Plenty of good stuff going on if you look for it, I'm enjoying the new material from Big Big Train, Willy Porter and Bros Landreth.

 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 10:06:51 (permalink)
Exciting, creative music is alive and well. The "big" business is not! What you are describing appears to be the "fast food" the industry to trying to force on everyone.
 
Industry staleness is nothing new but it does appear to be worse than ever. On the plus side, we have never had access to alternative choices like we do today. Read some forums, watch some you tube, listen to some samples and let each link lead you to something new. There is plenty of great "new" music to be found.
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 10:29:04 (permalink)
Although the music industry is worse than stale cheese, there's a lot of potential for musicians who play real instruments having "real talent", and yet incorporate some of the current "culture" into their own.
 
You can only saturate the market with whatever the current trends are (EDM, Dubstep, Looping, etc...) up to a point (everything's going to start sounding like everything else), and what will really shine through is hearing someone just playing an acoustic instrument while simply singing from the heart.   

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 11:22:31 (permalink)
Some more "new" stuff to try:
 
Republic Tigers - Keep Color (Alternative - Indie)
TransAtlantic (Progressive)
Freedom Hawk (Heavy Metal / Stoner Metal)
Toseland (Rock)
Tin Spirits (Progressive)
Poets of the Fall
 
No idea exactly what you're looking for, but there's some good stuff out there if you go looking for it.
 

 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 11:35:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/09/21 18:57:13
You're never going to find much in the way of great music in the top 40. You have to hunt it out. There is some fantastic music around these days that is every bit as good as the music from decades ago. And that includes "technical" music that's done entirely on computers. Of course since it's so much easier to record music these days, you're going to have to sift through more crap to find it. 

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 11:36:15 (permalink)
I like codamedia's fast-food analogy. Sure, McDonald's targets the lowest common denominator. But down the street there's usually something for the more discriminating palate - if you look for it.
 
Teenagers are a highly desirable target demographic because they are easily manipulated and have no well-formed consumer preferences. Consequently, that's where the effort goes, whether you're talking food, clothing, movies or music. If you're over 40 you naturally feel neglected by mainstream popular culture. But that's OK. We know what we want, and we're slowly figuring out how to get it, even if it means making our own music in the garage.


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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 11:46:50 (permalink)
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Some more "new" stuff to try:
 
Republic Tigers - Keep Color (Alternative - Indie)
TransAtlantic (Progressive)
Freedom Hawk (Heavy Metal / Stoner Metal)
Toseland (Rock)
Tin Spirits (Progressive)
Poets of the Fall
 
No idea exactly what you're looking for, but there's some good stuff out there if you go looking for it.
 




I'll add;
 
Rival Sons (classic 4-piece rock)
Vintage Trouble (rock/soul)
 
..and the new Squeeze album is great stuff.
post edited by jamesg1213 - 2015/09/21 11:56:18

 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 16:10:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby smallstonefan 2015/09/22 07:27:19
I'm an old fart now. I've recently come to the realization that I don't need really new music and started questioning the mentality behind this form of consumerism. which seems to have been made even worst in the age of the internet. Why the need to always have new songs to listen to?  IMHO, that's how music becomes irrelevant. Me, I need to grow fond of albums, to let them become a part of my life.
 
Pop music is a relatively compact and somewhat restrictive format - it seems a bit illusionary to think that we can keep on piling up song after song after song, decade after decade, w/o the well drying up a bit.
 
I see friends of ours putting out record and I keep asking myself - why? Do you really have anything to say, or do you simply want to have your album, to take your turn?
 
Furthermore, a lot of the new bands I would listen to are actually recreating what was done in the past - they sound and even look like transplants form the 70s. That's fine but personally, I don't need new pseudo-old music. 
 
There's so many things I've never heard going way back centuries ago. I find it sadder to think that I'll never had time to really get to know this or that pice of music by Schubert or Mozart than the latest bunch of pop songs, which are often only as different as one from another as Burger King from McDonalds.
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 20:10:53 (permalink)
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Dear All
... 
The other day I listened to the B side of the Small faces Ogden Nut Brown Flake and what a refreshing piece of Inventiveness.
...
on the American side I would say Chicago are one of the greatest USA bands,with lots of clever and enjoyable brass work.
 
...



Ohhh , yah got a few peeps here that know and love some different stuff.
 
Ogden's is magnificent, beginning to end ... and the first 3 Chicago albums are all a must have for most serious music collectors.
 
jbow
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 feel for new artists, it is like everything good has been done. Artists 1969-71 just hogged pretty much all the good stuff. LOL.
...

 
I still believe that the main reason for it, was all a part of the anti-establishment thing, and the desire to not give in to the commercial and enslaving side of things out there. The freedom, helped define a lot of music, and the one thing today, is the lack of freedom ... even though it is all available ... it's being known or heard is almost a joke for all our friends around us ... my neighbor at work likes music ... but you know how many comments he has made about anything I gave him? ...only one ... Yes -- Close to the Edge ... wow ... what a discovery!
 
I ended up telling him, no more music from me ... he goes why? You have not heard anything, and the music I gave you mattered to me and my life. You can't see that or appreciate that. You have exhausted my desire to give you music! He apologized and next day he talks about Jethro Tull ... these folks, sad or not, are so commercialized that listening to something different is impossible ... they will not get it, or find a thread in it that helps them learn something about listening. 
 
It's not sad, per se ... but it is the society that we're in and vote for ... more of the same! The same old ugly codgers for office. The same old codgers for music. The same folks for top ten ... different boobs this time under a different top, or nearly no top, which ever is the case. I guess it doesn't say much about the cover of the Blind Faith album, does it?
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/09/21 20:29:35

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 20:12:28 (permalink)
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I'm an old fart now. I've recently come to the realization that I don't need really new music and started questioning the mentality behind this form of consumerism. which seems to have been made even worst in the age of the internet. Why the need to always have new songs to listen to?  IMHO, that's how music becomes irrelevant. Me, I need to grow fond of albums, to let them become a part of my life.
 
Pop music is a relatively compact and somewhat restrictive format - it seems a bit illusionary to think that we can keep on piling up song after song after song, decade after decade, w/o the well drying up a bit.
 
I see friends of ours putting out record and I keep asking myself - why? Do you really have anything to say, or do you simply want to have your album, to take your turn?
 
Furthermore, a lot of the new bands I would listen to are actually recreating what was done in the past - they sound and even look like transplants form the 70s. That's fine but personally, I don't need new pseudo-old music. 
 
There's so many things I've never heard going way back centuries ago. I find it sadder to think that I'll never had time to really get to know this or that pice of music by Schubert or Mozart than the latest bunch of pop songs, which are often only as different as one from another as Burger King from McDonalds.


Not yet you aren't... but I am!
I find I like pretty much everything that Counting Crows puts out. I especially enjoyed all the great covers on Underwater Sunshine and I saw a TV special where they played almost the whole Saturday Evenings and Sundat Mornings album... live, even on TV, they were great. However, pop... pop has always been disdained by older people.. always. However, this time it is deserved.
I feel for new artists, it is like everything good has been done. Artists 1969-71 just hogged pretty much all the good stuff. LOL.
Oh well... I listen to new music a lot on Spotify, playlists of things I haven't heard before. I skip a lot of songs but now and then I find a gem.. young man!
 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 20:12:39 (permalink)
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TransAtlantic (Progressive)
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Their one piece with Jon Anderson doing Pt 1 of TFTO, is absolutely magnificent ... and even more amazing is watching a drummer, actually drum, and stick to it! 
 

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/21 23:58:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/10/02 09:27:45
I have to say, I really enjoy Spotify's new "Discover Weekly" feature. Every week they slip you a playlist of stuff their algorithms (or whatever) think you'll like based on your listening history. 80% of it is crap but over the last few weeks I've discovered quite a few new tracks and artists that I would never have discovered on my own. It's not all new music, some of it is older stuff. On Sundays I have a lot of paperwork and accounts to do and it's become a ritual to fire up that week's new Discover Weekly lineup. My philosophy is, if something makes me stop doing the paperwork and turn the volume up, it's worth saving. 

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 00:41:09 (permalink)
I recently ran into Fuel which is like a mashup of Live and Alice In Chains.  Really good stuff (if you're into that style).

 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 02:02:11 (permalink)
I've found some fresh listening reading Mojo and Prog magazines. The included CDs are my favourite listening
nowadays. I've never gotten myself to get aquainted with any of the web music services, partly because the times I listen to music, computer is nowhere around.
 
But the point is, as mentioned in the posts above, to find something fresh, you need to actively search. The charts and radio stations will never give it to you. There's more music around than ever, also inventive, original, crazy...

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 10:07:54 (permalink)
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on the American side I would say Chicago are one of the greatest USA bands,with lots of clever and enjoyable brass work.

 
Have you ever heard the Canadian band "Lighthouse"? They are from the 70's and very similar to Chicago in many ways - including the horn section. If you haven't it would be "new" to you even if it isn't recently recorded. "One Fine Morning" would be a good place to start.... follow it up with "Pretty Lady" and "Sunny Days" then take it from there.
 
Rain
... a lot of the new bands I would listen to are actually recreating what was done in the past - they sound and even look like transplants form the 70s. That's fine but personally, I don't need new pseudo-old music.



For me a good song is a good song, and a good sound is a good sound. I don't care when it was actually done. Your a transplanted Canadian.... have you listened to Saskatoon's "The Sheepdogs". It's a 70's sound that is really quite refreshing - IMO.
 
Sheepdogs - I Don't Know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvCq2hmlasM
 
 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 10:19:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/09/25 09:40:05
igiwigi
Music today seems to be all the same and all tech and no inventiveness.
The other day I listened to the B side of the Small faces Ogden Nut Brown Flake and what a refreshing piece of Inventiveness.
 

couldn't disagree more.
 
there are lots of killer albums out there,
lots of folks getting 'creative',
but it doesn't sound like 40 years ago.
 
gotta open your mind.
 

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 10:21:43 (permalink)
As the populace gets dumber, so do the things they do.

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 10:35:00 (permalink)
Every generation has to face the fact that they are no longer relevant. Music has evolved/devolved but our taste in music gets formed early on. I remember the first Van Halen record came out and I told my pals "this will never amount to anything". Ya, right.

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 10:49:38 (permalink)
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I remember the first Van Halen record came out and I told my pals "this will never amount to anything". Ya, right.



I felt so differently when I first heard it... as a 13 year old it was such a breath of fresh air compared to the disco that was ruling the airwaves at that time. 6-7 months later Dire Straits came out with their debut - it was an exciting time for a young guitar player still trying to form an F chord.

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 11:00:49 (permalink)
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......... it was such a breath of fresh air compared to the disco that was ruling the airwaves at that time.


Hey, hey, hey, take it easy on the disco bashing..... 
 


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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 11:31:31 (permalink)
I'll challenge the old "musical tastes are carved in stone at a young age" theory. And I'll go as far as to suggest that we truly are currently at a low point in the musical landscape.
 
Most of my favorite music is stuff that came along long after my impressionable years. Yes, I still enjoy classical music and traditional jazz and 70's prog as much as I did when I was young. Even more so now, because I hear more in it that would have gone over my head back then.
 
But I also like folksy stuff that I would have dismissed when I was in my 20's. I am a late-blooming Rush fan. I enjoy (some) modern Country when it doesn't try to be formulaic. I even appreciate some of the 80's hair bands now.  I listen to a nightly radio program that features all blues, discovering that that genre has a whole lot more creativity going on than I once presumed. Ditto for Big Band and Swing.
 
My musical palette literally spans more decades than I have been alive. And most of it discovered (ior re-discoverd) during my adult years.
 
But the last 10 years have contributed very little. It all seems terribly derivative now. When Kanye West is hailed as a genius, it would seem the world's drunk some kind of mind-numbing kool-aid. 


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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 11:45:00 (permalink)
there will always be mcdonalds and burger king.
 
lowest common denominator stuff....

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 12:07:52 (permalink)
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 14:40:25 (permalink)
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 15:26:52 (permalink)
For some reason, people keeping saying that one part of my body is smart...

 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 16:53:49 (permalink)
I think y'all are overreacting.   And with that said...    
 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 17:11:27 (permalink)
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. And I'll go as far as to suggest that we truly are currently at a low point in the musical landscape.
 




 
Being from the UK, and taking Simon 'Beelzebub' Cowell into account, I'd have to say that it couldn't ever get any lower than the chart domination in the '80's by producers Stock, Aitken & Waterman.
 
 
 

 
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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 17:14:50 (permalink)
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When Kanye West is hailed as a genius, it would seem the world's drunk some kind of mind-numbing kool-aid. 




Truer words have never been spoken. :)

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Re: What has happened to music today!! 2015/09/22 17:24:11 (permalink)
Or when you actually read the lyrics to Future and Drake's "Where Ya At" little ditty.  And you have to...because you sure as heck can't understand them when mumbled by Future.  Street "poetry" my rusty red arse.

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