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2017/11/22 03:16:51 (permalink)

What is "missing" in Reaper DAW?

Hi:  I know some of you have highly recommended Reaper as an alternative DAW for Sonar.  I have never used it, but am now thinking about it as an alternative DAW.  I love Sonar, like Cubase, tolerate Studio One, and use Mixbus for final mix/masters.  I have downloaded Reaper and am viewing some of the tutorial videos on Reaper.  However, I wonder what is not found in Reaper that is found in Sonar, or Cubase, or even Studio One?
 
Question:   Can some of you let me know what are the weaknesses with Reaper?  or (more relevant to the announcement that Sonar is being discontinued) What is missing in Reaper that is found in Sonar?
 
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 03:47:19 (permalink)
More of a matter of what is different than "missing". Some different things off topnof my head:

Comes with minimal effects plugins. The instruments included can barely be called that. For people with tons of third party vsts this is no big deal.

I don't believe it has integrated Melodyne support.

No step sequencer

No pro channel

No matrix view

No bus channels per say, bit very flexible routing

I don't think there is an arpeggiator.
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 03:49:12 (permalink)
The thing that gets most people is the GUI and menu system, both of which can negated with the HUGE amount of available custom themes, and the menu system is pretty much fully customizable, so you should be able to get something acceptable. There is a lot 'hidden' under the hood.
 
REAPER is probably the most powerful DAW going, it's just not obvious to most, you'll see people often saying "But REAPER can't do this or that" when in actual fact it can, they just don't know how to do it. There are good documention and a huge range of videos available, plus they have a 'SONAR To REAPER' guide pdf available, because they have a large number of SONAR Refugees already.
 
Try it, you'll either like it or not, the demo is fully functional, and it doesn't expire, 

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 07:49:16 (permalink)
I think I'm going to make the switch to Reaper too. I wish I wasn't forced to switch like this, but at least Reaper gets lots of rave reviews, so I hope I enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Sonar.

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 08:09:42 (permalink)
I'm using Reaper right now...
 
So much to unlearn!

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 08:38:10 (permalink)
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I think I'm going to make the switch to Reaper too. I wish I wasn't forced to switch like this, but at least Reaper gets lots of rave reviews, so I hope I enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Sonar.




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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 08:53:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/11/22 13:15:39
Thanks for the info; the downloadable themes looks like they will help with the GUI.  However, the lack of ARA Melodyne is a concern.  At least I see that some have found a way to use Melodyne, even though it is not a smooth as it is in Studio One or Sonar.
 
I see there is some good video tutorials on youtube that will help.
 
I still will go to Sonar and use it until it no longer works.  My Sonar use has been very stable for the last couple years; so I hope I can keep using it for some time to come.
 
Reaper looks promising, and I think is it wise to learn several DAWS just for times like this.  For $60 it is a no brainer.
 




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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 09:43:41 (permalink)
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For $60 it is a no brainer.
 



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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 13:55:24 (permalink)
Mostly, for me, it was the midi editing. Everything else about Reaper pretty much blew me away. I know there are composers using Reaper, but it was way too awkward for me for pure midi work.
 
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 14:34:42 (permalink)
For those of you looking into Reaper, here are some resources that make Reaper awesome (to me):
 
My current favorite theme
https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1719/Imperial_LCS-mod_v2.zip
 
A set of essential extensions
http://www.sws-extension.org/
 
A replacement menu system
https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php?p=518669
 
 

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 16:07:56 (permalink)
What's "missing" from Reaper is you don't get all the "extras"...
No Addictive Drums, No Nomad Factory...etc...

What you do get is a solid DAW with tremendous support,
and a very small footprint.

But, again, that's going to boil down to if it works for you
or not
 


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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/22 17:02:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/22 18:14:23
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What's "missing" from Reaper is you don't get all the "extras"...
No Addictive Drums, No Nomad Factory...etc...

What you do get is a solid DAW with tremendous support,
and a very small footprint.

But, again, that's going to boil down to if it works for you
or not
 




Reaper is getting bloated ... the current x64 download is up to 11M 

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/23 00:44:46 (permalink)
Do you know if Reaper has a Utilities Menu feature like Cakewalk has?  I have Sonar set up where I can use Izotope RX6 from the Sonar Utilities menu, edit the audio in RX6 and then save it and it comes into Sonar.  Here is the link for Sonar's Utility setup:    https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013099/Adding-third-party-audio-editing-software-to-SONARs-Utilities-menu
 
If you don't know, where could I find out about this feature in Reaper?
 
[EDIT:  I just googled this and found this on the Izotope site showing how to set up RX as an external editior in Reaper:  https://www.izotope.com/en/support/knowledge-base/how-to-use-rx-as-audio-editor-with-cockos-reaper.html     So, at least Reaper has this covered nicely.]

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/23 00:49:47 (permalink)
Another tidbit for Reaper ... if you use the Portable install option, it can go anywhere by simply copying the install folder.  Want to try some some new config options?  Copy the folder and hack away without concern for messing up anything.
 

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/23 01:02:54 (permalink)
Python is a good way to "play" with Reaper also...


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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/23 10:25:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/23 10:37:11
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More of a matter of what is different than "missing". Some different things off topnof my head:

Comes with minimal effects plugins. The instruments included can barely be called that. For people with tons of third party vsts this is no big deal.

I don't believe it has integrated Melodyne support.

No step sequencer

No pro channel

No matrix view

No bus channels per say, bit very flexible routing

I don't think there is an arpeggiator.

 
Reaper has an exelent stepsequencer called megababy. It's a JS pluggin that is very usable (but looks like a toy).
Same goes for arpeggiator . JS pluggin, works fine, but looks like a toy

cclarry
What's "missing" from Reaper is you don't get all the "extras"...
No Addictive Drums, No Nomad Factory...etc...

What you do get is a solid DAW with tremendous support,
and a very small footprint.

But, again, that's going to boil down to if it works for you
or not
 





I'm using the Addictive Drums license that came with Sonar in Reaper. Works fine.

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/23 16:51:52 (permalink)
RogerH thanks for the correction. I forgot about js plugins. I think it is for the reason you stated. They look like toys. Will gave to give another look.
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/24 08:53:54 (permalink)
Matron Landslide 
Try it, you'll either like it or not, the demo is fully functional, and it doesn't expire, 



... then why "buy" it?
 
I've tried Reaper a few times. I too like the Imperial theme, but this and other themes start loosing balance and positioning at certain resolutions. Graphics start covering each other up or get misaligned making it hard to do any work. MIDI isn't as straight forward as Sonar. It'll be a tough change.
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/24 13:39:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/24 14:28:10
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Try it, you'll either like it or not, the demo is fully functional, and it doesn't expire, 



... then why "buy" it?
 
I've tried Reaper a few times. I too like the Imperial theme, but this and other themes start loosing balance and positioning at certain resolutions. Graphics start covering each other up or get misaligned making it hard to do any work. MIDI isn't as straight forward as Sonar. It'll be a tough change.


Why buy it?  Are you serious?
 
Imperial was designed to be full screen.  Search the stash for LCS.  Lucas has an Imperial mod that works great less than full screen, and incorporates folder controls in the mixer panel.
 
LCS has some others you might like as well.
 
White Tie has been working on a new Imperial theme for the last year.  You can find a preview in the forum.  Stunning and designed to correct Imperial's size constraints.

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/24 16:27:47 (permalink)
In my experimenting with Reaper, I liked the look of the Imperial themes, but was frustrated by the size constraints. So I tried the Default_Commala_5 theme, and I like it. It's a good compromise between having a "hardware" look, which I like, and still being very space efficient and flexible. Give that one a try, if you haven't already.
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/25 09:32:33 (permalink)
Looks great. Thanks.
 
The issue I find with Reaper Themes is some won't resize the screen between the tracks and mixer dock properly like the default ones do. At least you can open the mixer in its own window to alleviate that issue.
 
I tried to resize the master fader window on one theme and it totally disappeared leaving only the "pin" graphic floating. I still can't get it back. May have to reinstall Reaper for that one.
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/25 19:11:48 (permalink)
To help with Reaper:
 
From the EXCELLENT  admiralbumblebee.com   (LOTS of *great* information/tips about many DAWs)
Reaper Script Showcase  admiralbumblebee.com/ReaperScripts.html 
Things that I really dislike about Reaper
admiralbumblebee.com/music/2017/04/04/Things-that-I-really-dislike-about-Reaper.html 
Things that I really like about Reaper
admiralbumblebee.com/studio/2017/03/30/Things-that-I-really-like-about-Reaper.html 


reaperblog.net/
kennymania.com/reaper-videos/
extremraym.com/en/reaper-5-review/





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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/26 03:00:35 (permalink)
The Reaper looks like a good alternative. I was able to quickly set up the "speed dial" buttons, repeating most of the important functions for me Sonar. It's the same with hotkeys, and it's awesome! Also, the Reaper showed excellent performance and stability.

But while there are two serious problems for me that are not solved:

1. Level faders move instantly on mouse click, if you do not click strictly on the controller. A conditional solution is to use rotary faders, or a theme with an alternative solution for faders, such as AlterEgo_5.60

2. In the piano roll, you can not display the velocity for the selected notes only. This is killing me. As a conditional solution - to move the selected notes to another midi track and edit there.

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 14:40:50 (permalink)
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No matrix view




 
For $20, you can have essentially all of Live's session view functionality in Reaper.  Playtime has been around for years and is consistently adding features and fixes.
 
http://www.helgoboss.org/projects/playtime/
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 16:14:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jackson white 2017/11/27 16:38:13
To help with Reaper, check:

From the EXCELLENT admiralbumblebee.com (LOTS of *great* information/tips about many DAWs)
Reaper Script Showcase  admiralbumblebee.com/ReaperScripts.html
Things that I really dislike about Reaper
admiralbumblebee.com/music/2017/04/04/Things-that-I-really-dislike-about-Reaper.html
Things that I really like about Reaper
admiralbumblebee.com/studio/2017/03/30/Things-that-I-really-like-about-Reaper.html


reaperblog.net
kennymania.com/reaper-videos
extremraym.com/en/reaper-5-review
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 20:33:09 (permalink)
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More of a matter of what is different than "missing". Some different things off topnof my head:

Comes with minimal effects plugins. The instruments included can barely be called that. For people with tons of third party vsts this is no big deal.

I don't believe it has integrated Melodyne support.

No step sequencer

No pro channel

No matrix view

No bus channels per say, bit very flexible routing

I don't think there is an arpeggiator.



I'm still up in the air of which way to go - Cubase / Mixcraft / Reaper, however, I'm very impressed with the notation editor they added:
 
https://youtu.be/dSJW9zcHMLk   - plus save to pdf and xml export
 
Also, there is this for a matrix view in Reaper:
 
https://forums.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=149712
 
I see a lot of folks running Reaper on their Macs.  That's saying something, considering they could be running Logic Pro X for $199.  Just sayin'
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 21:47:36 (permalink)
I'm thinking, so far at least, of sticking with SPlat and adding Reaper. (I will probably also add Studio One Pro to be safe.) I really like Reaper's look, the customization possibilities and, particularly, some of its features. It's certainly intriguing.
 
I'm just wondering how easy or difficult it would be to quickly transfer tracks from one to the other to take advantage of features that are unique to one of them. 
 
Let's say I plan to:
 
1) use varispeed on two tracks and
2) start at measure #0 so that measure #1 falls at the same place it would be in a written score.
 
Both of those features exist in Reaper but not in SPlat. So far, so good.
 
But what if, in the same song, I also want to:
 
3) use Melodyne Editor extensively on some of the tracks?
 
That's much better integrated in SPlat, much less frustrating and time-consuming.
 
Can I pretty well throw the tracks from one DAW to the other and even throw them back to the first DAW again in a couple of easy (really easy!) steps? If so, would someone out there know how might be best? It might be something I'd want to do often, so it would need to be a pretty painless procedure.
 
Just wondering if this might be workable. Or am I wishing for something that's likely to be messy and discouraging in practice?
 
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 21:57:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby skinnybones lampshade 2017/11/27 22:18:36
Can I pretty well throw the tracks from one DAW to the other and even throw them back to the first DAW again in a couple of easy (really easy!) steps? If so, would someone out there know how might be best? It might be something I'd want to do often, so it would need to be a pretty painless procedure.

 
I would guess you'd have to
- export a track (or tracks)
- import it in to SONAR (for example)
- run melodyne
- export the track
- import it back in to Reaper
 
So it would probably be easier to just use Melodyne in "non ARA" mode. I've never done this, but if I switch to Reaper, I'll have to learn how ;-)
 
Why not check on the Reaper forums - to see if anyone is using Melodyne, and how they're implementing it?
I'd do it myself - but I'm not ready to make the move yet, don't even have Reaper installed etc etc...
 
 

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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 22:23:38 (permalink)
Thanks for that quick reply, John. Yes, I figured I'd have to go the import/export route; I was just hoping someone might have a tip or two on the easiest way to go about it - some little magic file transfer wizard or something. :)
 
I remember using Melodyne in Sonar before they implemented ARA and it really was not enjoyable, though it was usable. I'm hoping to avoid going back to all that that involved.
 
I'll check the Reaper forums, as you suggest.
Thanks again,
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Re: What is "missing" in Reaper DAW? 2017/11/27 22:31:34 (permalink)
Not directly on track of the thread here, but wanted to bump a statement made by a forum member who commented on the time shift power of Reaper, saying it was the best in the industry.
 
Take this to the bank or to the church as gospel. These renegades wrote a function into the code that is available nowhere else, period. So much looking to be educated and corrected if I am wrong.
 
Reaper uses Elastique to stretch out the session without changing pitch. Also has the ability in another control mode to alter the computer's clock rate. Changes both rate and pitch without resampling, and the artifacts that would normally be there. Whether changing pitch or tuning of an entire project, nothing nowhere comes even close. There, I done revealed my secret weapon for doing methodical guitar riffs and speeding them back up without sounding fake.
 
Objective however, if the parameters of both modes are warped to the extreme at the same time, there is co dependency and wave files may not tune exactly without an extra cleanup step. Bug or just the limitation of where we are currently. Under less extreme pressure, the Reaper time and pitch alteration functions are a godsend for the digital musician. Check it out and experience if you can come remotely close with anything else on the market.
 
John
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