EricDeluxe
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What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
Hello I saw a video with Tiffany Monique (B-vocals for Beyonce´s, Mariah Carey etc) when she was recording vocals at home. In about 2:24 min there is a "portable audio wall" sort of speak. What are these called and where can I get one? http://www.youtube.com/wa...dded&v=dCu8gZc1nOE Thanks
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/03/30 07:44:23
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There's a few out there for example, SE Studio Reflection Filter for about $199 to $299 (USD) Auralex Mud Guard $99 (USD) Primacoustic Vox Guard $99 (USD)
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/03/30 08:11:30
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I think they're over priced for what they are. You can make your own for ¢.
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/03/30 09:17:24
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/03/30 14:24:10
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LOL And I thought you were talking about the moving blanket that was nailed to the wall
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/03/30 18:50:32
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digi2ns LOL And I thought you were talking about the moving blanket that was nailed to the wall Actually the moving blanket on the back-wall is likely the most effective thing there. I never understood why anyone would put a reflection filter behind a mic with a cardoid pick up patterm when most of what you don't want is coming from the same direction as what you do want is.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2013/03/30 18:56:33
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EricDeluxe
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/01 13:29:23
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Thanks guys! If the blanket do the trick, why not use that;)
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/01 15:20:42
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Blankets are as much a halfway solution as Reflexion Filters. In both cases, the most flattering thing you can say about them is they're better than nothing. The purpose of acoustical treatments for vocals is to reduce the level of reflections from room boundaries (floor, ceiling, walls and windows). That requires significant absorption down to at least 400Hz. 200Hz is better. Blankets are effective down to about 1 or 2 KHz. Any resonances below that, and the most damaging resonances are typically in the 400-600Hz range, will not be affected by blankets. Monique is also sitting on a leather couch, which probably isn't helping!
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/01 15:32:24
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I've got a Reflection filter at my project studio and it works great. Honest. In fact my setup is not that different than hers. Except I stand in front of an open double wide closet full of clothes instead of a moving blanket on the wall. I too thought the OP was asking what that high tech "audio wall" thingy was...and I'm going...welp...it's a moving blanket:-)
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/01 15:45:17
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i think I'm gonna build me one'a these boys. My room isn't treated in any wa, the closet thing I have to treatment is 7 carpet squares that I have yet to mount. My mom and I are redoing our 'music room', and I don't think she's up for ruining the asthetics of it by putting blankets on the walls :|
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/03 01:11:30
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The Mud Guard along with the other ones have mic stand mounting hardware designed into them ... that is something that may be meaningful to you. I don't have a good singing voice but do sing for the purposes of arranging parts. I have the $99 Mud Guard and it Kinda' gives everything everything I do a Bryan Adams effect. Large shipping blankets are about $25 - $30 at Lowes and I find them helpful for my home studio but I don't simply hang mine on the wall ... I will use one to help isolate the mics around a drum kit. Monique is also sitting on a leather couch, which probably isn't helping! I think she looks good sitting on that couch.
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/03 07:32:51
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Blankets are not heavy enough, but carpets and rugs are. If you throw a heavy carpet over a 2x2 lath thus leaving 2 inches airspace between the layers, and put a 2 inch rockwool or dense foam rubber plate between there and hang it from the ceiling, you have quite an efective reflection absorber which looks ok if the carpet looks ok. Making that structure of U-shape (or three separate narrow ones) you can create different spaces. BitFlipper: Your comment concerning the leather couch caught my eye. I've thought such a piece of furniture absorbs quite a wide range of frequencies. Is it not so?
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2013/04/03 07:40:39
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/03 08:29:31
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I agree with Bit, It's pretty easy to figure out what frequencies will be "treated" by various materials. Almost none of the materials sold and used for room treatment will absorb the most problematic frequency resonance in a small or medium size room. All they absorb are the mids and higher frequencies, which makes it easy for you to hear that you have made a change... the curious thing is that the change you are making is not helping tame any of the problematic resonant frequencies in the room, you are simply EQ'ing your wonderful voice in some arbitrary and novel way. If doing that makes you think you sound better... who can argue? If the Reflexion devices came with mirrors attached... I think they would sell even more of them. There will be, however, the matter of those problem frequencies that still need to be dealt with. You can hear the room tone in the intro to the video where Monique is singing and the camera mic is picking it up. It is the low frequency echo you hear under the entire interview. You can also hear that she has a wonderful and beautiful voice. Close mic'ing and low cut filtering are probably all she needs to sound good. She even mentioned that sometimes the practice tracks make it to final mix... more proof that her voice is simply that nice to work with. :-) best regards, mike
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Re:What is that Audio wall gear? Recording at home question
2013/04/03 10:37:25
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mike_mccue If the Reflexion devices came with mirrors attached... I think they would sell even more of them. best regards, mike Oooh...I hadn't thought of that. I'm gonna give that a try. Singing to someone I love. But seriously, I think folks tend to get "room acoustics" and "mic acoustics" cornfused now and again. At least in my business we would much prefer a totally dead space surrounding our vocal mics. We want no room tone at all. We add whatever ambience we need in post. So perhaps my 25 years in voiceover have tainted my musical side but, as I stated above, the Reflexion filter goes a long way to "deadening" the space. When I'm laying down a vocal I'm simply interested in getting rid of all the room tone I can. Not recreating OceanWay studio A. YMMV.
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