What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5?

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2010/05/11 16:08:44 (permalink)

What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5?

My 5 year old midi keyboard sliders and knobs don't work as well with ACT as they should.

So a new control surface would be great.

I need something flexible as I record midi and audio, as well as use loops, and lots of fx and synths.

What works really well with Sonar for both tweaking and mixing, taking full advantage of ACT, and doesn't cost a fortune?

Your advice / experiences welcome

thanx = kev



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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 16:47:10 (permalink)
    kevvvvv


    My 5 year old midi keyboard sliders and knobs don't work as well with ACT as they should.

    So a new control surface would be great.

    I need something flexible as I record midi and audio, as well as use loops, and lots of fx and synths.

    What works really well with Sonar for both tweaking and mixing, taking full advantage of ACT, and doesn't cost a fortune?

    Your advice / experiences welcome

    thanx = kev


    Take a look at the Cakewalk v-20 or v-100, etc. Not a keyboard controller, but has a lot of other bells and whistles. I compared it to other units and the price is not that bad. Plus, I heard another user sell the Sonar 'lite' that came with it on Craig's list.

    PS. I'm buying a V-100 for remote recording and it will double as a control surface.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 16:55:35 (permalink)
    Thanks for your thoughts, razor.

    Have considered these ... and the new Roland keyboards as well.

    Jury's still out while I wait for user feedback.

    Do they really work, or have they hidden limitations / boundaries?

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 17:12:39 (permalink)
    The best is the VS700C, which is available alone or part of the V-Studio 700 system... http://digifreq.com/?VStudio700 and http://digifreq.com/?VStudio700eBook

    But if that it too expensive, you might want to check out the V-Studio 100 (only 1 fader) or the V-Studio 20 (8 faders but not motorized).

    There's also the Frontier Design AlphaTrack... http://digifreq.com/?AlphaTrack

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 17:40:17 (permalink)
    Thanks, Scott

    I love the idea of the V700, but besides being pricey, it has a zillion inputs I don't need, as well as a Roland synth, and another copy of Sonar 8.

    It's looking more like I need a V 100 for recording, and an A 500 Keyboard controller for playing and live tweaking, matrix etc ... which is around £600 total.

    For that sort of cash I'd have to be pretty certain they worked together, and that they were the optimal combination.


    Any A500 series users here?




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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 17:56:37 (permalink)
    tried the a500 pro and the a500s and those are excellent for the price !!
    also got the vs 100 everything smooth !!
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 18:03:17 (permalink)
    Scott ... I just looked at the Alpha Track demos. Wow!!!!!


    I'm impressed. Not just by the function and the display feedback, but by the price too.

    Anyone using Alpha Track with Sonar?


    Zo ... thank you for reporting back. It's reassuring.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 18:14:09 (permalink)
    alphatrack here ...a pure pleasure !!
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 18:23:59 (permalink)
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 18:24:27 (permalink)
    AlphaTrack user here as well, love it with Sonar. Got a long USB cable, makes a fantastic remote. Or, just sit way back in your studio chair and mix/edit away.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 21:31:11 (permalink)
    Couple of queries re Alpha Track:

    > The Frontier Design Forum has a few users complaining about the slider not working properly, and no one from Frontier Design has replied. This is a bit worrying.


    > I can see how it works as a mixer. But how good is it as a live synth tweak machine? Is it fast to switch to ACT synth tweak operations?

    Comments appreciated

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/11 23:16:15 (permalink)
    kev,

    you can buy the VS700 C w/o the synth/audio interface.  Yea, it is still nudging $2000 but it is an unparrelled controller.  Not just a fader unit, it has individual buttons for almost every function, and the jog/shuttle knob w/ buttons keeps your hands on the unit for navigating.  It is really a different paradigm - not quite one knob as on an analog console but as easy, while navigation is superb.

    On the other end of the price spectrum the vs-100 is nice.  I had it for a month or two for review so I didn't get into the controller aspect of it heavily, but the fader worked well.  In fact, it felt smoother than the vs-700's.  But it is a lot of scratch for a controller, tho it is a capable interface and a nice stereo portable recorder.

    At the bottom is the Presonus fader.  It feels nice.  And I have the feeling that using it in conjunction w/ a keyboard controller w/ knobs etc. might be the best of both worlds - a good fader for channel vol w/ the knobs of a novation/cakeroland etc. for all the other track controllers.  I'm not sure how you'd implement 2 controllers, but it would be nice.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 00:56:03 (permalink)
    Listen...if you really want the best....GET THE 700c.  It is incredible.  I sold my Mackie Universal Control Pro 1 day after getting mine.  I am actually buying the 700r because I am so impressed with the 700c.  It is AWESOME.  Sell a car.  Sell your house.  Sell your 1st born.  GET THE 700c.
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 01:00:15 (permalink)
    again on the lower end....... is the Presonus Faderport running on Windows 7 64 bit yet?

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 01:38:14 (permalink)
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    again on the lower end....... is the Presonus Faderport running on Windows 7 64 bit yet?

    Yes - no problems here.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 02:22:32 (permalink)
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    AlphaTrack user here as well, love it with Sonar. Got a long USB cable, makes a fantastic remote. Or, just sit way back in your studio chair and mix/edit away.

    Sorry to hijack thread but with AlphaTrack can you assign the fader to CC1(mod wheel) control?
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 03:06:34 (permalink)

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 03:14:39 (permalink)
    I would say MCU, but I have one and two Xtenders and am looking for something better myself.  I am annoyed that the backlighting on the LED channel strips is so dim.  I can't even read them up close.  Faders far from smooth.
     
     
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/12 03:40:11 (permalink)
    If I were in the market, I would get the new Cakewalk controller, the biggest one. It's made for ACT.
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/13 01:53:40 (permalink)
    I wish Roland had done a little better than the VS700.  It looks clunky and toy-like to me.  Why didn't they come up with a cooler, sleeker design, like the Digi C|24?  Also, with no extender, I just can't deal with just 8 faders.  I'm sticking with MCU until I get more faders.
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/13 10:01:27 (permalink)
    +1 on all the above AlphaTrack recommendations. This thread coincided with me wanting to spring for a single long fader solution, and nearly went with a VS100, but I already have a pro audio portable recorder, so...

    Installed the AlphaTrack in less than 20 minutes and up and running inside Sonar 8.5.3 with no troubles at all. Wonderful functionality which together with a little GAS control will keep the VS700 at bay for quite some time yet. Maybe best waiting for the VS700 Mk II. :)

    lorneyb2 - No, the AlphaTrack does not control CC which would be even better. But its control of plugins is extensive and controlling FX parameters with the touch sensitive knobs is real magic. I bought it mainly for a long motorised fader, but already (within 30 minutes) realising how much more power this gadget has.
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/13 10:05:06 (permalink)
    Kev I've gone from mouse/kboard to Behri BFC to Fostex VM to Mackie MCU and finally ended with the 700C. Along this journey I've looked at most options and even got quite serious with building a dedicated unit and custom coded to get dedicated surface functions... the thing we all really want.. I absolutely love the Digidesign products but they will leave you hanging in the world of Sonar and unless you are in HD land, PT is not a comparison anyway.

    The 700C is simply the best Sonar option period (right now) and anything else you run with (for economic reasons) I honestly think will lead you on a simlar path as me. The 700C is not perfect but it sure does fit like a glove and I do not miss the MCU which was very solid and 80% functional to workflow. Having said all that, the MCU is really around the same dollars (here in Oz anyway) and will do most of what you want the surface for. The 700C will do all that plus quite a lot more.. but will leave you grinning because you can finally concentrate on making music. The MCU  does not match up to the 700C after having the 700C for a while. 700C pushes it aside in it's wake to be honest.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/13 10:06:24 (permalink)
    Mackie Universal Control Pro is hard to beat for the money.
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/13 12:03:16 (permalink)
    VS-700 system all the way.
    If you can afford it, it doesnt get any better.
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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/13 12:37:30 (permalink)
    8 ohm


    VS-700 system all the way.
    If you can afford it, it doesnt get any better.

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/14 08:12:49 (permalink)
    8 ohm


    VS-700 system all the way.
    If you can afford it, it doesnt get any better.

    Ref (a little off-topic) query above on AlphaTrack CC control support (negative).
     
    Does the VS-700 allow full control of whatever MIDI CC parameter one would wish to control in real-time. CC1, CC7, CC11, and so on?

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    Re:What is the best control surface for Sonar 8.5? 2010/05/14 09:39:57 (permalink)

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