Paul P
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/05 09:09:29
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I'd like to update, but I can't swing 150$ right now.
This is the precise reason The Bakers introduced the monthly plan.
Let's look at the math..
Buy now for $149 or wait and miss the promo price and pay $199. That's $50 extra..
Buy now on the monthly plan, pay 12 x $14.99 = $179.88. Still a saving of $19.12 on the "regular" price.
According to your math, because I'm short of money I'd be better off spending more. I can't afford 150$ but I could afford 180$. I prefer to believe that Cakewalk wants to offer the ability to rent Sonar by the month, rather than take advantage of short-sighted economics or worse, secretly leaking money out of a relationship.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/05 09:34:54
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Paul P
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Paul P
I'd like to update, but I can't swing 150$ right now.
This is the precise reason The Bakers introduced the monthly plan.
Let's look at the math..
Buy now for $149 or wait and miss the promo price and pay $199. That's $50 extra..
Buy now on the monthly plan, pay 12 x $14.99 = $179.88. Still a saving of $19.12 on the "regular" price.
According to your math, because I'm short of money I'd be better off spending more.
I can't afford 150$ but I could afford 180$.
I prefer to believe that Cakewalk wants to offer the ability to rent Sonar by the month, rather than take advantage of short-sighted economics or worse, secretly leaking money out of a relationship.
The part you missed out in your reply is Right Now. I can't afford 150$ Right Now, but I could (or might) afford 180$ spread over a year... More importantly, after February it wont be $150, it'll be $200, and whatever way you try to fix the pricing to make it look bad, paying $180 over the year by starting now is $20 better than paying $200 next month..
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/05 09:46:10
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Karyn
The part you missed out in your reply is Right Now.
I can't afford 150$ Right Now, but I could (or might) afford 180$ spread over a year...
That's what I called short-sighted economics.
More importantly, after February it wont be $150, it'll be $200, and whatever way you try to fix the pricing to make it look bad, paying $180 over the year by starting now is $20 better than paying $200 next month..
Jabs aside, that's just plain weird. May I suggest a home economics course ?
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/05 09:59:57
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LJB
Personally I think the deadline should be 30 days after all the bugs have been sorted out :O)
Well, the first update after a release is traditionally mostly bug fixes, it is slated to come out in February, and the pricing ends on the 28th, so at least you'll have a few days 
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/05 10:13:12
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Paul P
Karyn
The part you missed out in your reply is Right Now.
I can't afford 150$ Right Now, but I could (or might) afford 180$ spread over a year...
That's what I called short-sighted economics.
More importantly, after February it wont be $150, it'll be $200, and whatever way you try to fix the pricing to make it look bad, paying $180 over the year by starting now is $20 better than paying $200 next month..
Jabs aside, that's just plain weird. May I suggest a home economics course ?
Wouldn't your money be better spent on Sonar?  It is simple. You can't afford $150 this month. That's fine. Can you afford $15? If you CAN then go for the monthly deal and the upgrade will cost you $180. If you wait until next month the introductory price ends and it will cost $200 up front. That's $20 more than the current monthly deal.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/06 23:23:45
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Paul P
According to your math, because I'm short of money I'd be better off spending more.
I can't afford 150$ but I could afford 180$.
I prefer to believe that Cakewalk wants to offer the ability to rent Sonar by the month, rather than take advantage of short-sighted economics or worse, secretly leaking money out of a relationship.
Strange then that they give you the product after 12 months rather than insist you keep "renting" to use it.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/07 09:46:32
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Paul P
I prefer to believe that Cakewalk wants to offer the ability to rent Sonar by the month, rather than take advantage of short-sighted economics or worse, secretly leaking money out of a relationship.
CakeAlexSStrange then that they give you the product after 12 months rather than insist you keep "renting" to use it.
I'm not insisting on anything, and this is where these discussions take a turn for the worse. For your enlightenment, I said "I prefer to believe". Meaning I choose to look at this a certain way because the other ways are economically or morally corrupt. Neither you, nor anybody else, can argue that for the first 11 months you are not renting Sonar (if you're paying by the month). Call it whatever you want, renting is as good a term as any other. While we're splitting hairs, Cakewalk is in no way 'giving' you the product after 12 months. That's crazy.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/07 10:46:30
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Paul P
Neither you, nor anybody else, can argue that for the first 11 months you are not renting Sonar (if you're paying by the month).
Well actually, I can but it's getting into the level of pickiness reserved for contract negotiations...with Membership, when you sign up for monthly payments, you agree to commit to a 12-month term, not a monthly rental. So for the first 11 months, you are completing the first 11 months of your term. Some people have said that if you stop after 11 months, then that proves it was a rental because you didn't get to keep the software. But you didn't get to keep the software because you abrogated the agreement that specified you were committed to buying the software over 12 months. Like I said, picky but there is a difference. FWIW Cakewalk had two main motivations for offering software monthly as well as upfront. First, people had asked for a monthly payment plan so they could have the software now, even if they couldn't afford it. Second, it was hoped that this inducement would cause more people to try SONAR because they didn't need to save up for a year, that they would realize how cool SONAR is, and make it their primary DAW. In any event there's a choice and people can do what they want. I think more people go for the upfront option than the monthly one.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/07 18:15:55
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Putting Craigs opinion aside for the moment which I agree with, the first 11 months you could treat like rental sure. If you stop after that you won't be able to use it. That has to be common sense otherwise what is the point of even offering it.
After 12 months you can use it for as long as you like ... However if Cakewalk wanted a rental model whereby they hook you in forever... then they wouldn't allow you to run the product if you stopped paying after 12 months. I prefer to think Cakewalk is simply allowing people with very low budgets to own a license for the product after a period of time that won't expire, and that has to be a good thing for both Cakewalk and it's varied user base.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/07 19:04:30
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THE answer to this is if you don't complete YOUR end by paying ALL the months, you haven't paid in FULL for the software. So there is NO reason why you should be able to keep it, if you pay monthly and LESS than 12 monthly payments. Simple as that. Why would they let you pay 10 months of payments, and then keep the full product? As many have tried to explain...it's NOT a rental...it's a contractual agreement.
If you don't finish paying the mortgage on your house, should the bank give you possession? You're NOT renting from the bank; you made a contractual agreement. Until the mortgage is paid off, you "technically" don't own the house, but in all practical purposes, you ARE the owner, being able to make ALL final decisions how the house is used, maintained, updated, decorated... (within the law, of course).
The fact that people STILL don't get this basic agreement, is almost mind boggling. Personally at this point, if I were Cakewalk, I'd basically stop trying to explain this to those that disagree with what is ACTUALLY presented and let them go their own way. It would just weed out all the idiots that potentially might use Sonar and the direct result might be that these forums are TOTALLY populated by informed, educated people, helping and solving problems in an informed, educated process. Trolls would then just become all that much more evident in their first few posts.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/08 06:20:30
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Monthly payment is an option not an obligation and in my case it is a benefit and had nothing at all to do with being able to afford it or not. At the moment you cannot try it before you buy it and I would never buy any DAW software without seeing if it suits my needs beforehand. No trial means one monthly payment gets you the full works with no restrictions to evaluate for a month. A great alternative to paying the full amount upfront and running the possibility of being stuck with the license of a Daw that you are not going to use and at the moment you cannot sell either I am surprised that Cake has not promoted the idea as a benefit but rather pushed "the those that can afford it and those that can't idea" which to be honest is not a good marketing pitch. We already have the "I paid up front" brigaid puffing their chests out while some of the monthly's feeling its an admission of poverty in admitting they pay monthly. Complete **** as apart from being smarter the monthly payers will pay more and therefore clearly have more money, so there. 
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/08 08:26:00
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regarding the 12 month thing, don't forget that while you can carry on using the version as-was at the end of your 12 months, you'll get no more updates after that unless you continue or extend your membership/subscription/mortgage for another 12... fwiw, the main differences i see are: - monthly updates (rather than less frequent patches), but still a mix of new features and bug fixes
- the membership (subscription/version license) renewal frequency is 12 months (rather than a slightly more arbitrary new "major" release, which could be, e.g., 18 months)
- more focus on cakewalk to share "what's coming" than before
- the monthly delivery of new stuff versus "when it's ready"
personally i'm really excited to see how the next 12 months pan out :-)
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/08 08:53:59
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regarding the 12 month thing, don't forget that while you can carry on using the version as-was at the end of your 12 months, you'll get no more updates after that unless you continue or extend your membership/subscription/mortgage for another 12...
Not quite right, you can expire the membership after 12 months, keep the license, and then start another 12 months when it suits you. Was exactly the same with X1, X2 and X3 etc.. No updates after a year of purchase, the only difference is this time the product is being updated continuously.. What's there not to like.... unless you hate having more than one option when buying a product...
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/08 09:01:54
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pwalpwal
regarding the 12 month thing, don't forget that while you can carry on using the version as-was at the end of your 12 months, you'll get no more updates after that unless you continue or extend your membership/subscription/mortgage for another 12...
Not quite right, you can expire the membership after 12 months, keep the license, and then start another 12 months when it suits you.
you're quite correct, i made it sound like you couldn't "take a breather" when actually you could stop for some time, re-join(?) and then get right up-to-date with the latest version CakeAlexS
Was exactly the same with X1, X2 and X3 etc.. No updates after a year of purchase, the only difference is this time the product is being updated continuously.. What's there not to like.... unless you hate having more than one option when buying a product...
it's the "updated continuously" thing i'm keen to see how this actually manifests itself, it's supposedly going to be monthly :-)
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 04:04:03
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Paul P,
I get what you're saying. It's mindboggling to me that other people could possibly argue your basic point. You want to know how long the $149.00 price will last, so that you can budget that amount of money, if possible. Simple. End of story. It is basic, intelligent, financial planning. If something is "on sale", you want to know how long the sale will last, in hopes of being able to afford the sale price before the sale ends! That's all he's saying. It really has nothing to do with "membership", "subscription", "rental", or any thing else along those lines.
It is a fair, simple, and responsible question that some are asking. Instead of looking for ways to pick them apart, maybe the helpful thing to do would be to say, "Nobody knows but the Bakers", and leave it at that?
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 09:23:08
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Paul P,
I get what you're saying. It's mindboggling to me that other people could possibly argue your basic point. You want to know how long the $149.00 price will last, so that you can budget that amount of money, if possible. Simple. End of story. It is basic, intelligent, financial planning. If something is "on sale", you want to know how long the sale will last, in hopes of being able to afford the sale price before the sale ends! That's all he's saying. It really has nothing to do with "membership", "subscription", "rental", or any thing else along those lines.
It is a fair, simple, and responsible question that some are asking. Instead of looking for ways to pick them apart, maybe the helpful thing to do would be to say, "Nobody knows but the Bakers", and leave it at that?
Sheesh.......
The specific question was answered the moment the info became available. Back in post #29. Sheesh........ 
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 14:08:26
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Paul P,
I get what you're saying. It's mindboggling to me that other people could possibly argue your basic point. You want to know how long the $149.00 price will last, so that you can budget that amount of money, if possible. Simple. End of story. It is basic, intelligent, financial planning. If something is "on sale", you want to know how long the sale will last, in hopes of being able to afford the sale price before the sale ends! That's all he's saying. It really has nothing to do with "membership", "subscription", "rental", or any thing else along those lines.
It is a fair, simple, and responsible question that some are asking. Instead of looking for ways to pick them apart, maybe the helpful thing to do would be to say, "Nobody knows but the Bakers", and leave it at that?
Sheesh.......
The specific question was answered the moment the info became available. Back in post #29.
Sheesh........
Yes. Precisely. So why did people spend the next several posts beating up on the guy (after the question was answered in post #29) because of his (in their eyes) "poor turn of a phrase"? Double Sheesh! 
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 16:43:42
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Earwax
Yes. Precisely. So why did people spend the next several posts beating up on the guy (after the question was answered in post #29) because of his (in their eyes) "poor turn of a phrase"?
Double Sheesh!
The "guy" you say people are beating up in #29 is Guitarmech111 who was the OP who asked a question, who wasn't quoted once after #29. Rather people were responding and correcting each other (right or wrong). I guess it's funny when you don't read the thread properly Treble Sheesh! Cheers...
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 16:44:58
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If you can say "Treble Sheesh," then I can say "Midrange Sheesh." So there.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 16:45:32
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Sheesh Kebab!
OK I've over sheeshed...
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 23:00:27
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Earwax
Yes. Precisely. So why did people spend the next several posts beating up on the guy (after the question was answered in post #29) because of his (in their eyes) "poor turn of a phrase"?
Double Sheesh!
The "guy" you say people are beating up in #29 is Guitarmech111 who was the OP who asked a question, who wasn't quoted once after #29. Rather people were responding and correcting each other (right or wrong).
I guess it's funny when you don't read the thread properly
Treble Sheesh!
Cheers...
Errr.... Well, no... Actually, the "guy" I was referring to was the guy I mentioned in my initial post, Paul P. Now, I know sometimes people get excited, and thus don't read everything correctly, but I'm a bit hard pressed to figure out how anyone could mistake "Paul P" for "Guitarmech111"! But hey, that's just me . You are right though. It is funny when people don't read a thread properly. It's even funnier when someone's response to a post doesn't accurately match the content of the post...  ... You're a good guy, though Alex. It's nice to have a Forum Host who can be kidded! Ciao,
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 23:10:02
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#29 the answered Q was nothing to do with Paul P but everything afterward was. I could probably split the thread after #29 into two separate topics. Oh well never mind!!! ;)
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 23:13:56
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rabeach - four days ago
via email: Upgrade to SONAR Platinum - Intro offer ends February 28th!
So does one person getting an email constitute "ample notice" ? I received yet another email two days ago, still no mention of an Intro offer or an end date.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 23:24:32
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I doubt the email was sent to 'one person'.
Sorry it might be hard to believe but I'm genuinely confused. Are you complaining about not knowing something you already happen to know? #29 #34.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 23:28:11
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Paul P
rabeach - four days ago
via email: Upgrade to SONAR Platinum - Intro offer ends February 28th!
So does one person getting an email constitute "ample notice" ?
I received yet another email two days ago, still no mention of an Intro offer or an end date.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/09 23:32:51
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Bapu would make a great lawyer for cakewalk . There you have it. The Bapu has spoken!
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/10 03:17:23
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I bought it today.
I was not going to take a chance on the Introduction price going up.
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/10 06:48:44
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CakeAlexS
#29 the answered Q was nothing to do with Paul P …
Well, no, that’s not accurate either. Paul P was actually the second person to post in this thread. His comments were a direct response to Guitarmech111’s initial post. Subsequently, there were several posts directed to Paul P prior to post #29. CakeAlexS
…but everything afterward was.
Well, not EVERYTHING, but most posts were. CakeAlexS
I could probably split the thread after #29 into two separate topics. Oh well never mind!!! ;)
Not really. The fundamental issue was always “When does the sale end?” Even when people were trying to convince Paul P to use the monthly payment option (efforts which, by the way, began before post #29), and responded to his reluctance to do so, fundamentally it all had to do with the sale price timeline. CakeAlexS
…Oh well never mind!!! ;)
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/10 07:53:18
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so, er, when DOES the sale end?
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Re: What is the deadline to upgrade for the advertised cost?
2015/02/10 07:58:48
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Something that struck me is that with the older versions of Sonar, the upgrade price was valid until the next release, sometimes even with a big discount towards the end of the lifecycle.
Now we have 2 months to upgrade or loose the $150-00 upgrade offer to Platinum. Why so hasty?
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