space_cowboy
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What is the deal with 12?
We have 10 fingers, 10 toes, 10 teeth...
We count in base 10. All numbers no matter how big or how small can be expressed as some a.bc times 10x
So what is the deal with 12?
Think about it
60 minutes in an hour. That is 5 12s. 24 hours in a day - 2 12s. 360 degrees in a circle or 30 12s. 12 inches in a yard.
The amount that 12 shows up is disturbing.
12 Apostles
12 days of Christmas
12 Step programs...
12 notes in chromatic scale (western)
For a 10 based system, 12 shows up too much.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 15:47:41
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10 teeth? That might be an over exaggeration.... 
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 15:51:53
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try to get your head around old pre decimilization English money and you will see that there was very little logic applied back in ye olden days
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 15:54:52
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 It was easy... Before decimalization on 15 February 1971, there were twenty (20) shillings per pound.  The shilling was subdivided into twelve (12) pennies. The penny was further sub-divided into two halfpennies or four farthings (quarter pennies). 2 farthings = 1 halfpenny 2 halfpence = 1 penny (1d) 3 pence = 1 thruppence (3d) 6 pence = 1 sixpence (a 'tanner') (6d) 12 pence = 1 shilling (a bob) (1s) 2 shillings = 1 florin ( a 'two bob bit') (2s) 2 shillings and 6 pence = 1 half crown (2s 6d) 5 shillings = 1 Crown (5s) ...see?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 16:01:10
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jamesg1213
It was easy...
Before decimalization on 15 February 1971, there were twenty (20) shillings per pound. The shilling was subdivided into twelve (12) pennies. The penny was further sub-divided into two halfpennies or four farthings (quarter pennies).
2 farthings = 1 halfpenny
2 halfpence = 1 penny (1d)
3 pence = 1 thruppence (3d)
6 pence = 1 sixpence (a 'tanner') (6d)
12 pence = 1 shilling (a bob) (1s)
2 shillings = 1 florin ( a 'two bob bit') (2s)
2 shillings and 6 pence = 1 half crown (2s 6d)
5 shillings = 1 Crown (5s)
...see?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 16:08:15
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 19:23:19
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space_cowboy
12 inches in a yard.
Maybe on the planet Grzylyrg.  Seriouly, though, the answer is simple. 12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6. That convenience makes it so prevalent. You can only divide 10 into halves ... not nearly as flexible in commerce, etc. As to the number of apostles, that's of no more significance than 12 days of Christmas.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 19:27:33
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What do apothecaries have to do with Christmas?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 19:30:29
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bapu
What do apothecaries have to do with Christmas?
Dozens of things.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 19:32:27
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Jonbouy
bapu
What do apothecaries have to do with Christmas?
Dozens of things.
24, 36, 48, 123.989896287697?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 20:25:45
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Twelve beers in a 12-pack...
(How come there are no "Baker's Dozen" beer packs?)
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 20:27:33
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Yeah but the little ponies came in 8 packs.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 22:42:23
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craigb
Twelve beers in a 12-pack...
(How come there are no "Baker's Dozen" beer packs?)
+1 see what I did there?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 22:54:14
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daryl1968
craigb
Twelve beers in a 12-pack...
(How come there are no "Baker's Dozen" beer packs?)
+1
see what I did there?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 22:55:59
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daryl1968
craigb
Twelve beers in a 12-pack...
(How come there are no "Baker's Dozen" beer packs?)
+1
see what I did there?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/06 23:20:16
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People who are afraid of 13 stop at 12.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 01:55:21
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Just for the record (not that anyone may care): the 12 days of Christmas traces to the different calendars in the East and West way, way, way back... with 12 days of difference between them. Christmas was dated Dec. 25 in the West and Jan. 6 in the East. When they unified the two systems, they kept the two different dates as the two ends of the Christmas season... hence the 12 days of Christmas (or is that 12 pence?). And just what would one do with 12 partridges in 12 pear trees, 22 turtle doves, 30 French hens, 36 hummingbirds, etc.? Maybe the 40 gold rings would be worth something? And, do the hummingbirds, all hum in Am?
post edited by noldar12 - 2012/06/07 01:57:17
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 02:00:58
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space_cowboy...
Are you saying that 12's hopes for power are very tenuous?
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 02:11:30
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Why is it that whenever philosophy or religion are bandied about, it's always about East and West? What happened to North and South? Did they get forgotten? Oh... Nevermind. 
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 02:27:27
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IDK, man. I'm still trying to figure out airline peanuts.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 05:48:20
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12 would be nothing without 11 and 13.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 06:24:30
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It's not about 12's or 10's . It's all about 1's and 0's ;)
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 06:52:14
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I was visiting London in december 1970, when the decimalization was at the doorstep. It was hard to stay serious when the ladies at a market place complained how complicated it is to divide everything by 10.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 09:19:00
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dmbaer
As to the number of apostles, that's of no more significance than 12 days of Christmas.
I believe the 12 disciples (later become apostles) was a a special number to the Israelites. The number 12 meant "perfection" to them and also represented the 12 tribes of Israel.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 09:58:20
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Lest we for get the twelve tone system....
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 10:11:20
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We have 10 fingers, 10 toes, 10 teeth...
For a 10 based system, 12 shows up too much.
10 teeth? Dang.... you should have visited a dentist more often. I had 3 times that number.... 30 actually.... For some reason my lower wisdom teeth were missing. This caused issues with the 2 wisdom teeth on the top and resulted in needing to have them surgically removed... The average human has 32 total.....to start with. As far as why we use 12...... why not? Although it is easier to do math with the metric system. There's just something patently un-American about using the metric system.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 12:48:32
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It's because the aliens that originally populated our planet did in fact have 12 fingers.
They also came from a planet with a 36-hour day, which is why we have an innate tendency to stay up late and sleep in the next day.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 13:57:18
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I'm with you fit blipper. Aliens.
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 14:46:09
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12 and 7 seem to be prominent numbers in certain religions .... and what about that holistic art of counting the bumps on your head??? Phrenology 
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Re:What is the deal with 12?
2012/06/07 15:29:18
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I have a 12 string guitar but only ten fingers. How am I supposed to play a 12 string guitar if I only have 10 fingers ?? .
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