What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar?

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What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar?

What is the name of the software interface that is used to allow external hardware control surfaces devices to talk to Sonar?  


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/26 18:52:05 (permalink)
    Found it... it's called ACT


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/26 19:07:53 (permalink)
    Yep. Active Controller Technology.

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 15:31:36 (permalink)
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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 15:35:26 (permalink)
    Hi Bill, I was actually looking for the actual software protocol that is used.   I see that Cakewalk has a ACT API, but does not look like there is much support around it.

    Is there some other protocol that Sonar supports that is widely used in the DAW/Hardware Surface world?



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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 15:47:03 (permalink)
    ACT = Actually Controls - Temporarily.

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 15:54:31 (permalink)
    Hey RB, you may be thinking of Mackie Emulation Mode? It's for control surfaces (thinking faders, knobs & buttons). It became the "standard" because Mackie was early in the whole control surface game, and their boxes became popular very quickly, and so many DAWs developed support for the protocol. The advantage in SONAR is that this mode is bi-directional, meaning that the control positions are fed back to the controller, which is the only way to do things like motorized faders and visual feedback with LED indicators.

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 16:00:06 (permalink)
    Hey losguy,

    This is along what I'm looking for.  So, is it safe to assume then that ACT is a Sonar specific mode, where Mackie Emulation Mode is a universal mode?  


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 16:29:55 (permalink)
    ACT is indeed Cakewalk only. I have yet to see a non-Roland/Cakewalk device that touts direct support for it. Same with Novation and their Automap. (If someone does know of one, I'm curious to know.) Folks have used ACT on non-Cakewalk/Roland control surfaces, though as I understand the setup is known to be a bit "fussy".
     
    "Universal" is a little strong a word for me to apply to Mackie Mode - it's not as universal as, say, MIDI or USB, where it would have been ratified by a committee of the MMA or IEEE, for example. But gosh-darn if almost every control surface out there doesn't support a Mackie Emulation mode, and of course, SONAR has a control surface plugin setting to support it too. Just the same, it's best to check the specs and manuals and tutorials of whatever device you intend to use, to make sure that it supports it.

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 16:39:13 (permalink)
    not sure what you mean by support but there is a fair amount of setup information.
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013008

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 17:00:37 (permalink)
    hey rabeach, I was referring to the actual software development kit.   Cake has an API, but they don't have much supporting documentation around it. 


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 17:03:11 (permalink)
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     it's best to check the specs and manuals and tutorials of whatever device you intend to use, to make sure that it supports it.

    Well, because I'm a glutton for punishment, I'd like to see if I'm able to create a software control surface using one or the other methods, either ACT or Mackie.


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 17:29:01 (permalink)
    redbarchetta
    Well, because I'm a glutton for punishment, I'd like to see if I'm able to create a software control surface using one or the other methods, either ACT or Mackie.
    Well red, my hat tips in your direction. Are you thinking in terms of Apple or Android touch surface?

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 17:37:51 (permalink)
    Windows initially.


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:03:39 (permalink)
    The actual coding interface is good old COM.
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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:11:20 (permalink)
    Yeah I know.. I downloaded the ACT API. All C++.  Been a LOOOOONG time since I've done any C++ coding.


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:18:00 (permalink)
    Oh it's like ridin' a bike.

    Get after it.
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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:23:02 (permalink)
    uh huh.. SUUUUURE it is. I have not ridden that bike in about 15 years. I'm spoiled with the ease of use of C#


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:28:41 (permalink)
    Maybe it's like riding one of these...
     


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:37:45 (permalink)
    HA, I've always wondered what a barchetta looked like. Oddly enough, even though it's one of my favorite RUSH songs, I've never gone out and tried to do an image search to find out what one looks like. 


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 18:52:40 (permalink)
    Ha indeed - looks like it would be a fun car to have - looking at it, I get the song lyrics! (Speaking of riding a bike, I wan in a band that played that song when it was NEW. Let's say that I was very young at that time, and we'll leave it at that...)
     
    Sounds like a challenging project. BTW, I was told by a Baker (i.e. a Cake Developer) that the ACT API allows for Bi-Directional communication. If your 3rd-party app supports that, then it will be a real first (and very cool to boot).

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 22:03:28 (permalink)
    From what I read, it does support bi directional. Would be very cool.  I'm currently trying to get Visual C++ loaded back up on my computer.


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 22:24:22 (permalink)
    Sounds cool. If your VC++ is too old, rather than buy a new one, you can try using the (free) Win7 SDK here:
     
    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8279
     

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/27 22:52:20 (permalink)

    There seem to be a few free C++ compilers out there.  Lucky for me though work I have a MSDN subscription. Lots of C and C++ cobwebs to dust off. 


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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/28 00:26:16 (permalink)
    Nice. Dust away. You've probably forgotten more than I ever picked up in that area (not too versant in Win32/COM etc. here).

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/28 13:18:40 (permalink)
    redbarchetta
    HA, I've always wondered what a barchetta looked like. Oddly enough, even though it's one of my favorite RUSH songs, I've never gone out and tried to do an image search to find out what one looks like. 
    That's not a "Red Barchetta" btw.  It's a red Dino (Ferrari) 246 GT, entirely different car.


    Some images of what a red Ferrari "Barchetta" actually looks like:

    http://www.google.com/img...DQQ9QEwAQ&dur=8940


    Iirc, "barchetta" means "little boat" in Italian...




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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/28 13:24:04 (permalink)
    It's cuter, but I bet just as fun to drive! I am now better educated in the old world of red Ferraris!

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    Re:What is the name of the technology used for hardware to Sonar? 2013/03/28 14:15:08 (permalink)
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    The actual coding interface is good old COM.

    COM interfaces are like pigeons.  They look ugly, seem to serve no purpose other than to create a mess everywhere, and are due to go the way of the dodo bird.  And yet, they there are, fluttering around Trafalgar Square in large numbers where you just resign yourself to feeding them.
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