What is your alternative (none GR/TH) guitar effect setup for crunch / lead sound ?

Not using them myself as I use Amplitube3, but I see lepou plugins used by a ton of people and heard some impressive productions using them. Both amp sims and lecab for cab simulations.

http://lepouplugins.blogspot.dk/

I do have a Roland DR880 drum machine.. using it mostly for guitar effects now. Still trying to find a good method to record clean, while monitoring with the DR880 effects. Perhaps a split output of some sort will handle this.

Hi Marcus,

I do have the full GR 5 and the TH2 that comes with the X2 pro (shame on me I have not even open TH2 yet..!) 

But my strat become too noisy with the GR 5 patches, so I just do a simpler setup as in my (top) post above. I think it has got to do some line noise in my place and I have to turn down the treble to min, combined with the gate effect, so the overdrive sound won't be that noisy (hiss and static sound).

Regarding the DR880 drum machine / guitar effects, I was just playing around the idea of recording clean while monitoring with out board effects, but is not necessary now as I'm ok with the setup above.

Thanks for the link above, I can simply swap in the effects in place of the Studio Devil BVC.

Marcus Curtis


believe it or not I took a speaker wire and connected one part to the bridge of my strat. Then I took the other end of the wire and taped it to my arm using medical tape. This got rid of the hum in my guitar amp and I got the tone I wanted to record without the noise. The only problem was that now I was the ground. Don't do this during a lightning storm. In fact I would not recommend this at all. It did work and the hum was gone. The fun part was removing the tape after the tracks were recorded. ahhh the good old days before amp sims

It is great to hear that you found a solution and something that works for you.

cheers
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Marcus Curtis
 
Does this keep you from having to face magnetic north while pointing your tongue west?
 
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Rocky, How did you know that? ummm I am going to say ummm yeah also shortly after doing this pratice my hair became curly. hmmmm

tomixornot

Thanks for the great tip!

I wonder if this will be as effective, wire the bridge to a metal plate that is screwed / double side taped on the guitar body where your arm rest :)

One time I was getting hum from my acoustic that was plugged in (I know the best way to get a great acoustic sound is to mic it instead of using the electronics in the guitar)

but back in the day when I had no mics and I was using analog recording practices. (tape) I was getting a bad hum sound from the acoustic track I wanted to record. So I did the same thing, but I taped the wire around the quarter inch male connector of the guitar chord and then taped the other end to my arm. Same effect. The hum was gone. 

You really should open TH2... and watch Cake's videos... with TH2, you can play with the "mic placement" in front of the amp model you're using.  Moving the mics can reduce alot of the amps natural, modeled noise.

Best,
Rob

ok well this is what I have done. You are on the right path as far as recording another track of just the noise. but to get better results both tracks need to be in stereo. Then you invert the phase on one of the tracks. If you are running two stereo signals through two different buses. for example one for the guitar noise and one for the guitar you can use the channel tools to invert the phase. This also works on effects with the same settings.

You would use buses if you had 2 or more guitar tracks that require a distortion sound. be sure and group the fader of the guitar with the fader of the other track with just noise So when you adjust the guitar volume you adjust the noise level as well. It has been my experience that the tracks need to be in stereo in order to get better results. at least when I have tried this it seemed to work that way.

inverting the phase with two duplicate tracks is also fun to try on effects in addition to being a good tip for noise reduction

Well I have only done this with audio tracks. I have not used midi with phase reversal. but try this and see if it works. let us know if it does the job

1. make and save the crunch preset you want to use in GR

2.create an audio track and arm it to record in stereo. You don't need to plug any thing in we just need a blank clip. 

3. Press record and record a blank clip with no audio signal.

4. once this is done click on the effects bin for the clip and insert GR. Then call up your preset.

5. Bounce to clips the effect. You should now have your track of empty noise. Remember to group the faders

6. Reverse the phase the phase on that audio track and see if it cancels out the noise on your midi track. (which should also be in stereo)

If this does not work it may be that the midi track needs to be made an audio clip. You may be able to bypass some of the steps above. You might be able to insert the audio effect in the tracks bin instead of doing the bounce to clips thing. This will take up more system resources. you may not need the audio clip at all. you may produce the empty noise track without any clips being there. I don't know what approach will work the best. The ultimate thing to do would be to test every possible configuration of the above scenario to see what works best.

robert_e_bone


I did not mean to imply any need for doing such a thing on a midi track.


Bob Bone

Sorry bob I guess I misunderstood. maybe that stuff will help somebody else reading the thread.

I often use the CW amp sim.  Sometimes more than one instance.

EQ before and after, modulator, compressor, impulse reverb,..

Sometimes 2 buses with amp sim in both,...

It is very versatile. And easy to use.

I start with splitting the guitar signal with a DI, record the clean signal, and then record the stereo out of an epiphone amp with lots of variables for the 2 channels, and some chorus.

Also got a '54 gibson amp. The guitar into a ''71 wah-wah/booster pedal, into the gibson, way loud in the basement, gives a great moody blues tone.

Sometimes use the re-amp box, for guitar and other instruments.

But, internally, the CW Amp Sim is my little friend.

For that big Boston sound I Use !!

You might want to check out CamelCrusher http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php