soundchaser59
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What it was then...What it is now!
Then And Now A quick and dirty mix, testing a Sonar template and some new plugins. As usual, Emily did a great job singing both parts. The guitar is a bit sloppy, but it's an Ovation so what can be done...... throw in some faux ivory..... I am no longer objective on this one, so please let me know what to do with it. I think the voice is not loud enough, etc.... Thanks! THEN AND NOW smile for the pauper kiss for the king gold for fairytales hearts for the queen maidens and jewels castles and steeds knights for damsels princes brave deeds all the ages come home to me never changes love is all we need laugh with a jester dance for a fief dine with a server wine for a thief happily history life will repeat say you will stay until my love you meet through the ages love is all we need hand so tender eyes so free soulful whisper softly to be warm like summer bird on a breeze sun for flowers wind for the seas all the ages come home to me never changes love is all we need sing like a puppy coo like a dove bees in the honey hands in a glove happily can you be a gift from above say you will stay until I give my love through the ages love is all we need all the ages come home to me never changes love is all we need say you will stay I give my love to you
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/21 22:57:08
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The ovation sounds fine. Keys are too far back, vox too far back. I use an ovation and really like it. I thought yours sounds great. Pretty song. Emily sounds good I'd like to hear her up in the mix.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/21 22:58:12
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Lovely. Emily has a wonderful voice.
Cheers
Shad
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/22 18:45:25
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Fits the overall consensus....... not enough Emily! Thanks, I'll work on it some more. I want to get a bit of the brighter edge out of the acoustic also. I dont dislike the Ovation, but after all these years I now understand why people would prefer to mic something like a Martin or a Taylor.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/22 18:56:07
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Hey Gary,
GREAT tune and recording. I agree with the others more Emily in the mix. I think you did a FANTASTIC job on the Ovation. All in all this was a FANTASTIC song and performance. KUDOS!
LATER
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/22 18:58:59
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Guitar sounds good to my ears too. You know how to play it.  Just bring her vox forward a bit more. Nice composition! I mic my guitar, but only because I never had the ability able to get a good DI sound...
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/22 22:07:09
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Nice. I agree bring up her vocal. It's pretty tingly and nice. The accoustic, on my crappy speakers here, are a leetle bit toppy, and probably that'll be the case on most small cheap speakers with their raspy high end. So maybe a little bit of rolloff up there somewhere might be nice, I dunno. But otherwise it sounds nice and full.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/23 01:20:00
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This tune has been updated slightly. Less boom in the guitar by cutting between 80-150 with a narrow notch parametric. Turned it down 2 or 3 db also, and removed one of the el cheapo free plugs I was using on it. Piano came up a tiny bit, 1 or 2 db, and the voices came up at least 3 or 4 db. Changed the eq plug on the guitar bus also, took out the Kjaerhus and put in the Modern Channel. I like Kjaerhus for other things, but not much luck with it on ac guitar.
I have no clue what the "Audio Anyliser" is in Sonar, I could not find anything by that name. So I just used the graphic eq module in Ozone to view the guitar spikes. It was pretty bad between 80-150. A friend brought over his $4000 dollar Taylor and it was awesome, perfectly flat response across the spectrum! WOW! Now my Ovation will sound like crap every time I touch it.
Not sure what else to do with it, so hope it's better than it was.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/23 02:25:56
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Beautiful!!
Sounds like a music box.
The gentle pulling of the fingers on the strings brings out the ringing quality of them.
The pauses are exquisite!!!
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/23 10:06:32
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Yup it sounds unmistakenly like an ovation.... It works here. Emily has a wonderful voice. This is very nice. No real crits .... Enjoyed it very much  -TAP-
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/23 11:06:04
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Very pretty song sung by a very pretty voice...i love how that works!  nice recording/guitars.
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soundchaser59
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/24 20:40:59
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I got this updated for the last time, I dont think I have the weapons or the skill to get it any better than this. So let me know if this sounds like an improvement.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/24 20:56:55
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OK.. I like it... E sings good. the guitar sounds good. I'm listening again... I hear Vox.... guitar... and some harmony vox in places.... so I'm thinking you don't have many tracks... I'm not 100% on the mix, & EQ. guitar is still overpowering the singer, I can't understand the words clearly because of the guitar, and her vox is not as sweet (EQ and presence) as it could/should be. Try putting Ozone in the track FX bin on the guitar and another instance in the lead Vox track.... use it to eq and process the vox and guitar individually.... you can use the Eq to fine tune the freq response in that track..... solo the track and just work on that one sound until it's very pleasing....add some light reverb in O4 and then back it off a few clicks... you can do levels later........I do that on lead vox....and then bounce it to a track...that eases up the processing load..... I mix in audio with no track FX.... and I'll insert O4 into the master bus on the final take. At this time the EQ is usually pretty close to flat.... I use the widening and compressors to bump up the punch. then mix it again.. with the vox being the star... not the guitar. The guitar can go down by 30% or so.... and let Emily's singing carry this.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/24 21:01:36
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Very well done. Beautiful singing voice. I really enjoyed this.
Thanks for sharing,
Tom
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/25 11:46:08
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I cant put Ozone in any bin in Sonar, it will lock up my machine and kill everything. I dont know why, but I seem to be the only one having this problem with Ozone. But then I'm the one who always forgets to reset my latency number when I mix, that's probably it.
I keep turning the guitar down in Sonar, but then when I run it thru Ozone (in Wavelab) the guitar comes right back to the top again. Not sure why.
So thanks for the feedback, Ozone is abit of a "black box" for me right now, but I like the tune better now than what it was before, so I appreciate the help.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/25 12:29:30
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This takes me back to those folk masses my family used to attend back in the mid-70s. With much better guitar playing!
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/27 14:57:56
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I didn't see the remix post. This is beautiful. That Ovation sounds beautiful. It would be bopring if all acoustics sounded the same. Yours is BEAUTIFUL. I can't get mine to sound liket that. I have new speakers here at the office and Emily is right there now and this is AWESOME. Nice mix. If you ever get a chance, email or PM any hints you might have for me to get mine to sound like that!! I don't like Ovation better because I have one but I like yours as much as any acoustic I've heard recently. I'll stop now!
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/29 14:20:05
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I Used a C414 on fig 8 pattern for the "side" mic, an AT2035 for the "mid" mic in a "mid/side" arrangement. No rolloffs, no pads. Placed about 18 inches in front of the 15th fret. I may change that approach to get the mics away from the soundhole projection.
3 tracks in Sonar, one for the mid, two for the side. Clone the side track, pan them hard L hard R, and reverse phase on one of them. Run the mid track thru a hi pass filter, but the Ovation I have needs a hard and narrow notch centered on 90 or 100hz, a bit less than 1 octave bandwidth.
Dont remember off the top of my head what other plugs I used, but I think there is a Modern Channel or a Modern EQ plug on it, set for the AGTR preset, and a bit of shallow Kjaerhus reverb. I went back to lite bronze strings, and turn up the gain so I could finger pick it more litely. I dont use the internal pickup at all any more, but the mics really pick up that boomy thud that characterizes the Ovation deep bowl.
I'd love to replace it with a Larrivee or a Taylor, but my wife wont let me sell the darn thing. It's a 1982 Custom O.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/29 15:04:07
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I really love the sound of that acoustic, very nice job there. And Emily has an angelic voice. I think this is beautiful just the way it is.
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/29 17:37:16
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Thanks for the info. I don't understand a thing you're saying but I'll figure it out! I'm just back into this stuff so.... Thanks!!
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RE: What it was then...What it is now!
2009/03/29 17:44:05
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The guitar sounds lovely to my ears, can't find any fault with the sound or the playing of it. I love your voice, has a nice folky quality to it. Very nice song too. Enjoyed.
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