What language is that, anyway...

I've just acquired the Waldorf Edition and stumbled upon a nifty little "bug".

As usual when I buy a new synth, I was auditioning the presets in PPG Wave 2 and saving them as regular Audio Unit presets, so that I could access them directly from my DAW's browser instead of via the synth's GUI. This also provides me w/ an opportunity to further classify them and create a favorites list folder.

I was going through the 3rd one of those preset banks when Logic crashed while I was trying to save a preset. Tried again - poof, same result. Skipped that particular preset: all was fine.

Odd.

Then I went through another bank. All fine until another specific preset caused the same issue. That's when I noticed that those 2 presets had something in common - there was a blank space in place of one of the character in the preset's name.

So I launched Cubase. Lo and behold, the preset name shows up full, only w/ an odd character.

What displayed as R chel DK in Logic (and Studio One) shows as follow in Cubase:







Now the issue is that many of those presets seem to feature such characters. I've e-mailed Waldorf to inquire whether they had a system tweak or workaround, posted on the Logic board...


I know it's a loooooooooong shot considering that I'm on a different platform using a different DAW, but as anyone ever seen a similar issue and found a cure for it?


Man, it's amazing how such insignificant little things can cause such issues.

The only thing I can think of is that whomever made those particular presets is partial to using odd characters that may be unique to their language character set, and that this same person also happens to create presets that are prone to crashing the thing (for whatever reason). 

My extremely vague $0.02....

Yep, I thought I could try and re-save them in Cubase since it doesn't exhibit the issue, but unfortunately, it'd only work w/ the VST, which is of no use to me. That's if I could even over-write factory presets.

Yep, I have 2.3

I plan on upgrading to version 3 but I'd like to see if I can get that little issue solved before I send them more $. The synth itself is sweet.

Most synths have a utility (or you can find even better ones on the internet - especially in user groups) that allow you to change the patch information.  Usually, they can save, restore and modify many more things about the patches but, for your needs, if you can change the name on before using the patch it should solve your issue.

FWIW - I used to use MIDI Quest which had premade layouts for most of the synths that I owned.  No idea if they're still around though...

Thanks guys. I've started checking out for solutions on my side. One of the things which makes it harder to handle is that I don't have access to the individual presets, only banks of them. 

So I can call up a global preset bank from my host browser, but all the navigating from one patch to another happens via the synth's GUI.

Obviously, I could just skip problematic patches and not save them as presets, but, if there's any (relatively simple) way I can fix something instead of avoiding it, that would be my first option.

Did I mention I hate it when synth manufacturers and preset makers ignore all conventions and try to be original instead of just using simple/descriptive names? 

Sayeth the guy who's had a lot of fun re-saving the Zeta factory patches (or is it Z3t4 + ?)

craigb


So you can't even rename the patches using the synth's own GUI?  What about saving it as a new patch to the "user" area (if it has one)?

Any "defective patch" cannot be re-saved, even in the generic plug-in shell - which is what I was trying to do in the first place.


The banks are accessed via the shell, but the presets can only be accessed through the synth itself. 


Here's how it looks in Logic - patch no 43 is one of the problematic one. As long as I have it selected in the synth, any saving - whether it's saving a preset or a song will result in a crash.


Same in Studio One, same in DSP Quattro (my audio editor). Only Cubase seems to be able to handle it.

A quick search found this:  An AIFF file of the factory sounds
Try cutting off the URL a bit too - lots of info there.

Wow man! Thanks a bunch - I'll give those links a try. :)

One thing I've just noticed - in whichever application I'm using, be it Logic or Cubase the synth's own display won't show the names properly. 




I thought the synth itself had all the necessary resources and fonts to display everything, but no. Apparently, it relies on the system, and there's nothing proprietary in its own display.


Which mean that Cubase must have some extra content because the missing character shows up in Cubase's GUI and its proprietary drop-down menu. So I guess Cubase doesn't use system fonts, or at least, not exclusively.