vladasyn
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What resolution/sample rate to use?
I have been using 16bit/44.1 Hz resolution for years. Now I would like to switch to higher bit/resolution. Do I use 24/48, 24/96 or else? Thank you.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 01:48:22
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24 bit will give you better specs on the way into your DAW. ie better noise floor vs headroom ie a greater dynamic range allowing you to record at lower levels without introducing noise or dreaded digital overs (distortion)
Sample rate really depends on your intended medium.
CD 44.1
DVD 48.
double the resolution for better high end resolution (theoretical) and if you have double the disc space.
I've deliberately tried to not get too technical and approached in very much layman's terms.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 03:27:41
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I used to use 48/24 but I'm now using 44.1/24.
Bit depth is arguably more important than sample rate (at the recording stage). I'd recommend using a minimum of 24 as a bit depth. You can always dither it down later.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 03:34:58
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Thank you for your replies. I agreed to try 24 bit, but what about sample rate? Media? I make music, no video, and was alwats thinking about it in CD terms- this is why 16/44.1. Where people store music now days on (other than iPad)? We still save to CD, not DVD, right?
How about MP3s? I know it used to be 128, then 256, BUT: from what? Do we convert .wav to 16/44 CD format before compressing/ What if I have 48/24, can I compress to MP3 and be compatable with downloading web sites such as iTunes? thanks.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
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 48kHz /96kHz 32bit /64bit. 48kHz / 96kHz 24bit/32bit are standard in any professional studio. After years of stupid debate, nyquist freq, try convince the unbelievers it is nowdays a common knowledge and a fact that higher sample resolution and bits you use you better sound of the final mix and end result you will have. If you missed all years of "VS threads" you must been living under rock?!  Why it sounds better? It's becasue all software filters, software synths and all other analog gear and recordings are captured in higher resolution. I'm not saying use 192kHz but you should at least use 48kHz or 96kHz 24bit or 32bit as standard. http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/recorders/real-world-24-bits/ http://www.gearslutz.com/board/ *make a search here and you can hear audiofiles too... VS 44 So your lowend MP3 files will still sounds better using from 48kHz /96kHz or 192kHz 24bit / 32bit VS down to CD 44.1 kHz 16bit/ MP3, DVD 24bit. MP3 are by the way in 48kHz 16bit format.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 04:53:05
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vladasyn
Thank you for your replies. I agreed to try 24 bit, but what about sample rate? Media? I make music, no video, and was alwats thinking about it in CD terms- this is why 16/44.1. Where people store music now days on (other than iPad)? We still save to CD, not DVD, right?
How about MP3s? I know it used to be 128, then 256, BUT: from what? Do we convert .wav to 16/44 CD format before compressing/ What if I have 48/24, can I compress to MP3 and be compatable with downloading web sites such as iTunes? thanks.
I think you are confusing bit rate with bit depth, the 128 and 256 in mp3s are bit rate which is how many kilobits per second are used to reproduce the sound. Obviously the more bits used the more accurate the sound. Bit depth is how much room there is to store a sound so a 24 bit file depth has more "room" than a 16 bit one. Get anything above 24 and the increase is academic as there are no convertors that can convert to a greater depth anyway. It's also different to sample rate of say 44.1 or 48 which is how many times per seconds the sound was sampled. Bit rate is basically equal to - Sample rate x bit depth x number of channels. I personally can't tell the difference between a sound sampled at 44.1 or one at 48 or higher. You'll need to ask Freddie about that. 
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 05:01:45
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vladasyn
Thank you for your replies. I agreed to try 24 bit, but what about sample rate? Media? I make music, no video, and was alwats thinking about it in CD terms- this is why 16/44.1. Where people store music now days on (other than iPad)? We still save to CD, not DVD, right?
How about MP3s? I know it used to be 128, then 256, BUT: from what? Do we convert .wav to 16/44 CD format before compressing/ What if I have 48/24, can I compress to MP3 and be compatable with downloading web sites such as iTunes? thanks.
I think you are confusing bit rate with bit depth, the 128 and 256 in mp3s are bit rate which is how many kilobits per second are used to reproduce the sound. Obviously the more bits used the more accurate the sound.
Bit depth is how much room there is to store a sound so a 24 bit file depth has more "room" than a 16 bit one. Get anything above 24 and the increase is academic as there are no convertors that can convert to a greater depth anyway.
It's also different to sample rate of say 44.1 or 48 which is how many times per seconds the sound was sampled.
Bit rate is basically equal to - Sample rate x bit depth x number of channels.
I personally can't tell the difference between a sound sampled at 44.1 or one at 48 or higher. You'll need to ask Freddie about that.
Have in mind all your software mixers / DAC to all you Audio interfaces, Lynx, RME totalmix, SSL mixtreme use often higher internal resolution over 32 bit, 40bit sometimes even higher bit then 64bit / 128bit. Why do you think they use that? Because its just so fun using many bits? No its a reason! Internal The essential criteria for the power of a digital mixer are the number of channels that must be processed simultaneously, and the internal resolution. Example Digiface: 26 inputs plus 26 playback tracks can be mixed to 28 physical outputs in any order. This means (26 + 26) x 28 = 1456 combinations simultaneously possible. The mixer must be able to calculate 1456 channels! As long as monitoring would have been the only point for this concept, one would have got away with 16-Bit resolution. Including the playback tracks, this is no longer possible. Because they are always routed through the mixer, it does not only have to have higher resolution than 24-Bit in order to avoid rounding errors for gain changes, but it also has to supply additional headroom for gain rises and the summing of several channels. Extremely high resolution does not make sense and causes a high consumption of resources within the FPGA. We have therefore decided to have a basic fixed-point arithmetic with the following values: The multiplier has 40 bit resolution. This comes from a maximum audio resolution of 24-Bit, that can be altered in gain with a resolution of 16-Bit (65563 steps) with a fader (24 + 16 = 40.)The adder has 36 bit resolution. From these, 7 bit are used for the necessary headroom (up to 52 channels with 6 dB gain can be mixed to one channel.) The audio signal has again 24-Bit resolution, the other 5 bit are used for the LSB to decrease rounding errors.The output signal is truncated to 24-Bit without dither.Faders: 16-Bit resolution, equals 65536 steps, which are provided following a special function for correct perception. Gain change input and playback channels: +6 dB down to maximum attenuation. Outputs: 0 dB down to maximum attenuation. Because of the screen display, the number of values that can be set with the mouse is dependant on the number of pixels. This is 137. In fine-mode (shift key), this value is multiplied by 8 for 1096 different gain values.Pan: pan law 6 dB. This means, the signal is attenuated by 6 dB in center setting. From center to left and right, there are 50 steps on either side. Linearly processed and displayed, from L 1.00 via 0.50 (C) to R 1.00.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 05:08:02
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Did anyone see the article in Mix a few years back where they sat down several "golden ears" types, veteran engineers, producers and audiophiles, and asked them to evaluate recordings made at various sample rates and bit depths? The results were a bit surprising. In many cases, no difference could be perceived between recordings made at 16/44.1 and those at higher bit depth and sample rate. They were using the finest A/D and D/A, audiophile speakers, etc. across a broad spectrum of musical genres. I remember leaving the article with a sense that the popular bit depth and sample rate escalation had points of diminishing returns. For me personally, I find 24/44.1 a completely satsfying balance between audio fidelity and computer resource usage.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 05:09:41
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Yes Freddie but there is a difference between making calculations at a bit depth and storing the result. 
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 06:34:45
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Yes bitSync I saw that article and it is very interesting. It is called The Emperor's New Sampling Rate and here tis: http://mixonline.com/reco...w_sampling//index.html I have done a similar experiment except I used a very high quality turntable, SME arm with a Shure V15 Type III pickup feeding a $1000 Fidelity Research RIAA preamp as the source. For vinyl I used those Sheffield Lab albums that were recorded direct from the studio to the cutting lathe with nothing in between. (probably highest quality vinyl you will ever hear in your life! Makes Dark Side sound like crap and that has to be hard! I also used Dark Side as a reference) I have also used analog two track masters running at 30 ips on a half inch mastering tape machine with super fidelity masters as an alternative analog source. So I organised these analog sources onto one side of an A/B switch. I also fed the analog source into my Yamaha digital mixer and did A to D and D to A at 16 bit 44.1 KHz. This I fed to the other side of the AB switch. Once all the levels were perfectly matched no one could pick either source! I was switching blind in the middle of the music. No clicks or gaps etc. I have tried some serious engineers and also some expert hi fi enthusiasts. In case you were wondering I used Mackie HR 824's as one set of speakers but also a class A valve amp (Williamson) feeding Quad Electrostatics as another speaker option and the listening conditions were pretty ideal too. Tells you a lot about how good 16 Bit 44.1 K Hz is doesn't it. Sort of debunks the 96 Khz 24 Bit myth. If I could do it all again especially to Freddie he would fail this test a million times! Sorry Freddie but true. You and everyone else here my friend!
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 09:31:14
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I've been using 24/96. I was using 24/48. I've discovered that the final mix is clearer and more closely resembles the pre-mixdown sound. I cannot hear any difference on individual tracks, at all.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 10:02:07
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I think you would be happy and have a balance that would work if you either continued to use 16-bit depth and 44.1, or if you switched to 24-bit and 44.1 sample rate.
I do not think you would hear any difference between the 2, and as BitSync posted, it strikes a balance between fidelity and resource consumption.
If your computer and interface support 24-bit at 44.1, then you might as well use that, but if it runs you to the edge, then switch back to 16-bit and 44.1.
Having your system run stable is more important than trying to satisfy Freddie. :)
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 10:30:17
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 11:19:05
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funny i just noticed my audio bit depth is grayed out on 24. in in pref.
guess il keep using that if i turned down to 16 could that use less resorces aand in turn help the lockup drop outs iv been getting in x2??
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 11:50:53
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funny i just noticed my audio bit depth is grayed out on 24. in in pref.
guess il keep using that if i turned down to 16 could that use less resorces aand in turn help the lockup drop outs iv been getting in x2??
That is usually set by the driver and AFAIK isn't changeable (or isn't on my set up). The actual recording bit depth is set in Preferences-->File--->Audio Data-->Record Bit depth. That's the one you see displayed in the transport module window. You'll also see the render and import bit depth settings there as well.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:26:00
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I have been using 16/44.1 for 13 years now, but all my mixes are slightly lower in volume compared to commercial. I do not mix above 0. I am not sure I understand headroom concept. What is that supposed to mean?
So is it 24/41 or 24/48?
When saving to CD, I will have to convert it. Is the Sonar converts it automatically and all I have to do is select 16/44.1 when mixing down to 2 tracks? (I know there settings- it set by default to 32 and makes unplayable tracks if you forget to change it.
The MP3- I use Wavelab to convert to MP3s. I think it would have to be 16/44 to be able to convert, and it converts to most standard MP3 size.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:27:52
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You are never going to get a single answer. I use 24bit @ 44.1
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:35:51
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funny i just noticed my audio bit depth is grayed out on 24. in in pref.
guess il keep using that if i turned down to 16 could that use less resorces aand in turn help the lockup drop outs iv been getting in x2??
That is usually set by the driver and AFAIK isn't changeable (or isn't on my set up). The actual recording bit depth is set in Preferences-->Audio Data-->Record Bit depth. That's the one you see displayed in the transport module window.
You'll also see the render and import bit depth settings there as well.
It's actually Preferences>File>Audio Data, and that's where you can change it for new projects. And yes, reducing bit-depth will reduce resource consumption on your computer, and make it easier for your system to process the audio with less of a chance for dropouts. Bob Bone
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:46:55
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Use at least 24/44 and you're fine.
Anybody that uses 16 bit is simply missing out. Other than that and 44.1 or higher sample rate, it all gets into "snake oil" territory, as you might have noticed in this thread.
the 24, as already said, is very helpful so you can actually record a signal in at a much lower level and get a very nice signal, while avoiding background noise and clipping on the way in.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:49:26
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Soo wtf is 64bit that Sonar gives option to put,, bit depth and render etc..... I record at 64bit 192khz
Freezing tracks will take longer and much more disk space.
My question is
Why do I have options for 64 bit ,,,,, is there even a sound card in the world that is 64 bit ?
To me 24bit/96khz is perfect. However now I see I have options for 32bit and 64bit. The higher the better or what ?
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:51:53
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Thanks Bob. Typo corrected in my post......... I am not sure I understand headroom concept. What is that supposed to mean?
Headroom is the amount of space the audio has to work in before it clips. At a bit depth of 24 there is more dynamic range storage space available than there is at 16 bit. 8 extra bits obviously. Therefore you don't have to "squeeze" the audio into just the 16 bits, there's a bit more room to play with before clipping. A bit like having to walk under a bar. If it's at about head height it's more of a squeeze. Lift it up a bit and you have more headroom, hence the term.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:57:52
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tsbol
Soo wtf is 64bit that Sonar gives option to put,, bit depth and render etc..... I record at 64bit 192khz
Freezing tracks will take longer and much more disk space.
My question is
Why do I have options for 64 bit ,,,,, is there even a sound card in the world that is 64 bit ?
To me 24bit/96khz is perfect. However now I see I have options for 32bit and 64bit. The higher the better or what ?
Theoretically, but only in theory. To use my bar analogy. If you are 6 foot tall and you lift the bar from 8 feet high to 16 feet (16 bit to 24) you are even less likely to bang your head no matter how high you jump. Moving it from 16 feet high to 32 feet high (24 bit to 32 or 64) you are again even less likely to smack your head. But only in theory as you weren't going to at 24 feet either. I think that's enough of the analogies.... my head is hurting.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 12:58:34
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Soon there will be sound cards that are 384khz or are they out........
Why do your project @ 64/192khz is my question.
should I go back to 24/96khz. I mean I know all samples are not higher then 96khz anyway.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 13:00:20
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tsbol
Soon there will be sound cards that are 384khz or are they out........
Why do your project @ 64/192khz is my question.
should I go back to 24/96khz. I mean I know all samples are not higher then 96khz anyway.
I personally have no idea, that's why I don't. 44.1/24 for me thanks.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 13:00:42
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This question always causes interesting debates. There's lots of material on this subject - a few quick searches and you'll have lots of background info. I choose to record at 24bit / 96 Khz. Some will say you can't hear a difference - maybe it's my imagination, but I think I can hear the difference when starting with a 96khz sample as opposed to 44.1khz. Anything higher than 96khz doesn't pay dividends in my opinion. Bear in mind, increasing the sample size means your CPU / Disk will work harder and resulting audio files will be larger, so take your hardware specs into considation when making the decision as well.
Recording at 24 bit gives alot more headroom up front - which I find very handy when recording dynamic sources such as vocals - you can keep your signal much lower and lessen any concerns of clipping, given you'll have the additional headroom to raise the signal afterwards.
Hope that helps.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 13:05:15
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I've been using 24/48 for years now.
I do recall reading something that said, if you're going to be converting to 16/44.1 for CD you are better off doubling your sample rate. Meaning you should be recording at 24/88.2 because the dithering is smoother.
Not sure how true that is either.
So for me a happy balance is 24/48.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 13:11:03
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For bit depth, I think the main thing is you're better off recording at 24-bit (and we're talking about the audio interface's actual converters) for headroom when adding effects, etc. If you then export to 16 bit for CD Sonar will just discard any extra bits without having to recalculate. For sample rate it's best to either record at the same sample rate as your final delivery medium (i.e., 44 for CD, 48 for DVD) or a rate that is evenly divisible by the rate of your final medium (88 for CD, 96 or 192 for DVD). That way Sonar either won't have to recalculate the sample rate at all when exporting, or it will be an easy calculation. If your final medium will only be MP3, then you have the choice of either 44 or 48, so just try to avoid recalculations when Sonar exports.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 13:16:29
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The higher your projects sample rate, the lower your latency is.
That's another thing to consider when choosing your project settings.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 13:22:14
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I have been using 16/44.1 for 13 years now, but all my mixes are slightly lower in volume compared to commercial. I do not mix above 0. I am not sure I understand headroom concept. What is that supposed to mean?
So is it 24/41 or 24/48?
When saving to CD, I will have to convert it. Is the Sonar converts it automatically and all I have to do is select 16/44.1 when mixing down to 2 tracks? (I know there settings- it set by default to 32 and makes unplayable tracks if you forget to change it.
The MP3- I use Wavelab to convert to MP3s. I think it would have to be 16/44 to be able to convert, and it converts to most standard MP3 size.
First: switch to 24/44.1khz. 24bit is generally accepted as the best way to get the most out of your digital converter. Second: bit depth and sample rate have nothing to do with volume. Look up the "mastering" phase to find out how commercial music is made louder.
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Re:What resolution/sample rate to use?
2013/01/18 21:18:01
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Commercial music made louder by compressing it, EQ, normolizing and then by going over 0 db limit. I am sure there few more tricks. It just that dont matter what I do, and I used to spend hours trying everything, it would not get louder if kept under 0 db. I was wondering if the way I record has anything to do with it.
What do we store on DVD?
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