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2015/03/07 18:22:32 (permalink)

What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes?

Hello all...
 
I can't tell you how much I've learned about music composition, production, and mixing just from reading the threads on this forum.  Beyond amazing.  Along the way I've posted about guitar sims, mid/side stuff, EQ notching, and a million other things I've yet to decode when it comes to the art of mixing.  Sonar user since 1998, which is why I'm here instead of Gearslutz...  =)
 
I wanted to start a thread, as the title says, on the best A-HA!! moment that took your mixes to a new level.
 
Too many for me to list, but parallel compression was a giant one for me...so was mid/side EQing (via Fabfilter vid on YouTube)...thanks to whoever recommended that.
 
So...fire away!!!!
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 18:37:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby maximumpower 2015/03/08 07:24:43
I think for me it was coming to terms with the fact that not everything has to stand out clearly in a mix, that a good mix has a healthy contrast between dark/bright sounds and front/back sounds. If everything sounds bright, then nothing does. Sometimes you just have to roll off the highs on a track and have it sit in the background.

Also don't be afraid of panning things 100%, it creates width and clears the middle for the important elements of the track (kick, bass, vocal etc). I used to pan everything from left to right in a rainbow thinking that I had to use up every "space," but it just ended up spounding cluttered. Now I take an LCR approach, limit the number of stereo instruments to one or two, use stereo reverbs sparingly (and narrow their width if necessary), and if I pan things outside of LCR I'll do that sparingly too (perhaps a subtle mono reverb or delay).

Also: you don't have to add distortion to everything. Too much in a mix can make everything sound brittle and fatiguing.

And: don't be afraid to make major cuts to get the bass sitting right in the mix.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 18:45:21 (permalink)
This is going to sound really stupid but learning what the heck a bus is and how to use them. I recorded and mixed an entire album for my old band on my old system/DAW without a single bus except for the Master (meaning I did not add or route to any busses at all).
 
Imagine my surprise upon realizing I could keep all the noise from the drums, vox and my umpteen guitar tracks going to their own little homes within the mix.
 
D'oh!
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 18:50:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby savoy 2015/03/08 14:43:49
cut instead of boost






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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 18:57:30 (permalink)
i can break down the many things (a lot from coming from this forum) that have improved my mixes into the following:
 
1) Focusing on learning a few plugins well instead of grabbing for a new plugin every mix. At this point  Quadcurve EQ does the bulk of my EQ work with the occasional appearance of a Pultec or other coloring EQ. 
 
2) Following the advice of forum members in regards to gain staging has been a true eye opener.  It seems obvious now, but like many of you, i grew up with analog that required a hotter signal.
 
3) Echoing sharke, the attempt to make every element sound perfect not only kept me from finishing mixes but it was actually muddying my mixes.  If you have two elements that sound perfect in a vacum on their own and they share a lot of the same frequencies, odds are good they are going to ruin each other in a full mix. Grasping that getting elements to fit well together beats a bunch of things that sound good soloed was a challenge for a bit.  Now the only time i hit the solo button is for forensic tasks like removing noise or whe nfocusing on the one element i decide is the key (usually the lead vocal)
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 19:44:25 (permalink)
In the beginning it was modest room treatment, ARC and a sub.
 
Then it was simply listening carefully to what I heard in the speakers, cans (4 different types) and the car.
 
Lastly, being open to what others hear. There are some members here whom I trust to listen to pre-releases; even if I do not always take their input 100% to heart their input is IMPORTANT to me. And, whatever else I may get from posting in the songs forum.
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 19:48:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/03/07 19:51:02
Learning that every instrument doesn't get to utilize the full frequency range it produces and the fundamental frequency isn't always the one you want to preserve.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 19:53:20 (permalink)
The track Mute button.
 
Both a joke, and a serious point..

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 20:10:34 (permalink)
technique - mid side EQ
plugin - BFD3
fixed mistake - getting rid of too much 100 to 300 hz in mixes (when I discovered room treatment and purchased proper near field monitors)

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 20:16:08 (permalink)
Analog front end.  It really makes a difference for me.
 
The other thing is learning to listen.  It really does take time, but once you reach a certain stage suddenly tracking (and mixing) start to make sense and you can learn to apply the right tools rather than just twisting knobs and hoping for the best.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 20:17:22 (permalink)
Mixing with my ears not my eyes.

The move from analog to digital concentrates our field of view with so many displays, lights, curves knobs sliders etc the tendency can be to use our eyes instead of ears.

If it sounds good it is.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 20:20:09 (permalink)
as for plugins, geist has been a lifesaver. If i want to create, say for instance, a bass loop, i can grab my bass, lay down a line  using threshold mode and in under a minute i have a loop recorded, sliced and mapped across pads.
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 20:20:26 (permalink)
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Mixing with my ears not my eyes.

The move from analog to digital concentrates our field of view with so many displays, lights, curves knobs sliders etc the tendency can be to use our eyes instead of ears.

If it sounds good it is.

Yes, good one.  And that's the reason that the console view is so important to me.  Keeps my mind off those squiggly lines.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 21:10:13 (permalink)
dubdiscipleIf you have two elements that sound perfect in a vacum on their own and they share a lot of the same frequencies, odds are good they are going to ruin each other in a full mix.


I'd say that was a major breakthrough point for me as well, though I first realised it in a live sound context, long before I had a DAW (actually maybe 10 years before DAWs even existed). It can be difficult to sell that to some musicians though, so sometimes you need one mix for them to hear their instrument solo'd and another one for when it's in a band context. >:-)

There's so many "eureka" moments really, lots of little ones that sometimes come together to make a bigger one...

Realising that guitar tone and volume controls go down as well as up, and that the volume control can do much more than just make things louder or quieter.

How compression works, what it's for, why it's used and when it shouldn't be used.

What you'll get away with in a live performance you won't get away with on a recording that has to stand up to many repeat listenings in a completely different atmosphere.

Sound engineering and musicianing are not the same thing and require different thought processes, even though the jobs overlap.

The recording technology, whether tape and hardware or DAW, is a musical instrument in itself.

Finally, perfecting a recording is a task that is never finished, but at some point you just have to draw a line under it and say "that'll do, release the thing".

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 21:26:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby garygml 2015/03/08 12:53:25
Involve your spouse in the process... even if their eyes glaze over once in a while, they like to know what you're having so much fun with, and tend to encourage you more and yell at you less!  

 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 21:59:07 (permalink)
This is going to sound snarky, but I mean it: crtrl-X and the mute button. The more I remove, the better it sounds. Most of the songs on my YouTube channel are 8-12 tracks, but sound bigger than that because there's no competition for them. Also, I do imaging "in reverse." A lot of people start off with mono tracks and the mix becomes stereo; I start with stereo tracks panned mono, and the mix becomes more mono but with width. I always try to make the music sound like it could be live performance, and for that, it can't be too "stereo."
 
But of course, that's personal preference and has nothing to do with general guidelines, expect possibly for the ctrl-X aspect.
 
I'd also add this is a GREAT topic for a thread. 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 22:07:11 (permalink)
Not stopping, not just until each part sounds just right, but also not before summoning the patience to sacrifice some of that hard work for the benefit of the whole piece, until it sounds just right, even if it means that certain individual parts have to take a back seat. Mixing for the greater good. I just wish I could say I accomplish this all the time, but I can't!
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 22:13:04 (permalink)
Wow...these responses have already gotten me more in trouble with my wife...lol
 
One thing I've been doing a lot lately is trying to reverse engineer commercial mixes to see what's going on under the hood...not necessarily from a composition perspective, but mostly from a nuts and bolts EQ and panning perspective.  One of my biggest shocks (which seemed to contradict one of the responses from my mid/side thread earlier) was how much low LOW end is contained in the side channels.  And this simply isn't a case of my mixes "not having enough bass", because (as I've discovered), raising the level of the bass/kick does absolutely nothing for the side channels.  Thank you Ozone and ears for helping me figure that out.  Latest releases by Keith Urban, Sara Bareilles, Nick Jonas (don't judge...lol) and country newcomer Sam Hunt have confirmed that.
 
So...one of my major advances lately in certain buses and even in the "fake-mastering" stage is for me to raise the bottom end significantly in the side channels.  It seemed counter-intuitive before...I even had Ozone stereo imaging bringing the sub-100hz info 100% to center.  Whoops.  The only thing I record outside the box is acoustics, so I boost the low end of those a lot in addition to the ITB electric guitar sims that don't benefit from any amp micing and corresponding low rumble.
 
Sorry to ramble but I'm a total mix nerd which is why I'm home on a Saturday... =(
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 22:31:53 (permalink)
If you like, watch this vid by mastering engineer, he puts bass in center and explains why.
(if you don't wanna watch whole vid, the bass center is explained at 8.30 mins).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53oGeuTZ6IY
 
 
 
 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 22:33:53 (permalink)
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Mixing with my ears not my eyes.

The move from analog to digital concentrates our field of view with so many displays, lights, curves knobs sliders etc the tendency can be to use our eyes instead of ears.

If it sounds good it is.

+1 on that. I switched to using SSL 4000 channels on my mixes, no eq curve display, no spectrum analyzer, it's like mixing on a real desk. Just that small change made a big difference.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 23:34:51 (permalink)
One really big one I'm still TRYING to learn!!!! Stop putting compression on EVERYTHING!!!! Compression everywhere, tons of it..... must stop.... must stop!!!!! I'm working on it.



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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/07 23:37:12 (permalink)
I don't just record myself. I got into taping b/c I love to listen.
 
Being mobile is really important to me. I love recording away from home or inviting new groups over to record.
 
Provides lots of good feedback from people who care (the band) and lots of opportunity to practice with different genres.
 
 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 01:36:06 (permalink)
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One really big one I'm still TRYING to learn!!!! Stop putting compression on EVERYTHING!!!! Compression everywhere, tons of it..... must stop.... must stop!!!!! I'm working on it.




This is especially true for virtual instruments like synths. When you have complete control of the velocity/volume of each note, as well as all of the envelope/tone controls on the synth, there is often no need whatsoever for compression. Unless of course you're doing it for effect (like sidechain ducking or because an analog compressor sim adds grit etc). 

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 08:08:41 (permalink)
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When you have complete control of the velocity/volume of each note, as well as all of the envelope/tone controls on the synth, there is often no need whatsoever for compression. 



This I completely agree with.
Guitar, Vocals, Bass usually get some compression in my mixes. I think it makes it sound better. Drums are more questionable - sometimes yes, sometimes no.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 08:11:04 (permalink)
 
- Understanding that two "bigger than life" instrument sounds often (usually) sum up as unusable. There's only room for a limited amount of "bigness" of sound at a time.
- Har-Bal EQ. It made itself unnecessary to me in about three weeks  by convincing me of that the info my ears and Voxengo SPAN give me is reliable.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 08:26:12 (permalink)
That when moving a fader up does not mean turning up the volume, but rather reducing the loss of the fader.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 09:35:35 (permalink)
I have two tips to suggest.
 
ONE
Small, subtle changes goes a long way in a mix. Unless you are going for something radical and different, apply everything gently. This goes for compression, filtering (HPF/LPF), EQ,  delay, reverb, etc... A pinch of salt is a lot tastier than a cup of salt.
 
TWO
A good arrangement mixes itself with little effort. It's hard to make something stand out if everything else is going "full tilt" around it. Listen to some of your favorite recording and you will find that the arrangement of the parts created more openings and space than radical EQ or compression did. 
 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 10:57:55 (permalink)
This might sound silly, but simple mic placement has been getting lots of play with me lately. The amount of mileage I've been getting out of putting on headphones, monitoring input, and moving a mic in front of a guitar cab is amazing. I recently tracked clean e-git for a raggae act and had to do no eq at all...just an 80ish low cut and that was it. If you're just slapping a 57 on-axis an inch out from the cab you're really missing out. And it's not big moves...small moves make big changes, especially with axis. Want to cut the HF harshness from a 57? Rotate the axis a bit. Also, rotate your vocal mic a few degrees off axis to save yourself a bunch of de-essing.
 
Save processor cycles...use less EQ and just move the mic.
 
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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 13:34:50 (permalink)
Mixing with monitors instead of headphones when getting into the late stages of mixing.

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Re: What technique, plug-in, fixed mistake, etc. MOST helped your mixes? 2015/03/08 14:42:15 (permalink)
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cut instead of boost


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