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What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
Hi All, I copied something from a cassette tape (an old spoken word journal from many years ago). The pitch seems a touch high, probably from the cassette player. Anyone know how to reduce the pitch slightly? Thanks!
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/17 21:56:48
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I think V-Vocal should do what you want.
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ultralight
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 00:12:54
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I just tried v-vocal. I could probably make it work, though clips can only be a maximum of 6 minutes long. I also need to figure out the optimal way to use the controls, other than the pitch. I need to figure out how to set them in a way so that nothing affects the sound other than the change of pitch. The lower I made the voice, the more glitchy it sounded. I need it to be rather flat. Thanks for your help.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 00:42:23
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Someone smarter than I will have to help with that. See if you can find some vids on working with v-vocal. It shouldn't go "glitchy" with a small adjustment. Maybe increase your buffer while it's processing? Again... beyond my knowledge base at this point. Good luck.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 00:52:16
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It would probably be better to break up the segments into smaller sizes. Kinda a pain. Also SF will do pitch shifting like you need. It might be worth the money for the stuido (cheaper) version if that effect is included. @
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 02:13:51
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I know this is not the answer you want, but the IDEAL solution would be to do the transfer from the machine on which the recording was originally captured. You are hearing just the pitch difference, but - undoubtedly - there is a SPEED difference, as well (which, of course, is causing the higher pitch). Because cassette decks operated at such a slow speed, anyway, any variance in speed makes a noticeable difference. Small voltage differences could even cause that problem on the SAME machine. Whenever I need to alter pitch, speed or both (which is actually what you need to do to get the recording back to its original state), I rely on a rather old version of Adobe Audition (v 1.5), but it also can create some nasty artifacts if you try to modify a file more than about 3-5% from its current speed/pitch. Audition 1.5 is kinda buggy running on Windows 7 (even in compatibility mode), and isn't available these days, anyway... so I am not sure I have been any help to you. Try to learn the nuances of V-Vocal; within the Sonar environment, it is your best bet.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 07:46:44
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turn the spoken clip into a groove clip. Then change the pitch of the clip to taste. You could also stretch the time a bit if you feel the speaking is too fast.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 08:11:44
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The lower I made the voice, the more glitchy it sounded. The real time render for V-Vocal can sound glitchy, but if you bounce to clip (or do your final export) it uses a higher quality alg and most of the glitches will go. Breath sounds and other noises that are "pitchless" can also confuse V-Vocal so if you're doing extreme pitch shifting they can sound like glitches, even though they're not. "Beagle's Becan" in my sig uses extreme pitch shift on the main vocal, you can hear unshifted breath noise...
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 08:25:51
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Another approach would be adjusting the formant.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 08:28:09
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Melodyne will do a nice job. Someone mentioned the tape machine itself. This is true. I have seen several tape machines that had faster or slower tape speeds due to the motors or whatever. The original machine or one that tracks at the proper speed would be good to have. I believe there are machines with speed adjustments but they are typically more expensive and not widely available especially now that tape is not in wide use any more. I would not waste time on the machine approach.... get melodyne and get it done.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 10:08:22
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@Guitarhacker, Agree. I did this with Melodyne by highlighting all, selecting the pitch tool, and then typing a negative number into the input box to lower the pitch. You can also play with the formant, but a little goes a long way, as I am sure you know. @Ultralight, You would not want to buy a piece of hardware just for the this (probably), but if you know anyone with a TC Helicon VoiceWorks Plus or similar TC unit you can borrow, it will do an awesome job of both lowering pitch and adjusting formant to give you a really good narration sound.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/18 10:13:28
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Give the old Cakewalk Pitch Shifter plug-in a try in the clip's fx bin.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/21 11:51:39
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I also find the free "Audacity" program does a fine job of pitch and tempo changes. You can change tempo without changing pitch and vice versa. Very simple, flexible and not bad on maintaining quality.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/21 12:09:21
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In melodyne, you can "grab" (click and draw a box around them) the entire audio in the track by selecting it and move it a half step or so down in a matter of seconds. If you don't go too far down the formants should be OK.... I think the formants play a bigger part when going up. I moved a small steel guitar (polyphonic) part up a full octave yesterday, in a new project I'm working on, and all I did was select the entire clip and drag it up one octave ..... no formant adjustment and it sounded great.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/06/21 13:22:46
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/21 13:20:32
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Guitarhack is right, although I type numbers instead of dragging so I don't slip. You can also transfer it to a tape machine after cleaning the heads with testosterone.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/21 13:31:15
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you might find the issue is with the tape recorder NOT the tape.. the rubber belt bands , loose shape over the years and due to that, also affect play back speed. if you have changed the drive belts, again if they aren't the right size that will cause issue. also the tape tension is ok ? (use a biro to fix that) magic do some audio cleaning s/ware.. can't recall if it changes pitches though.. which if out are only out by a few cents/hz. http://www.wavosaur.com is free and will do it. in the tools menu will do pitch shift, and thats free.. IMO using melodyne etc is like using a sledge hammer to crack a walnut
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/21 13:45:18
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there are so many different ideas and ways to do this,the simplest imo is to put the clip in soanr(import it) dont split anything if you dont need to now drop a phazer into effects bin,even the sonitus modulator might work as weel. they do what they say. i use phase as every other professional does to get a more stable sound out of "out of tune instruments" the bass being one in perticular. a constant phase can for thear into many things one being slightly higher or lower in pitch. but more often then not its hard for the ear to inturpet a costant phase to pin point frequencys just a liitle wider on the spectrum..dumbing this down here it means a phaser..you get away with being a little out of tune on lower frequency instruments like bass,a males voice. and in respect change the pitch of and instrument or voice within a small range.
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Re:What the best way to slightly lower the pitch on a spoken word vocal?
2012/06/21 16:54:11
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The old destructive Pitch/Time plugin might be worth a look as well. It's the one based on the MPEX algorithm (second tab). You can preview the results to make sure they're acceptable - on a copy of the original clip, of course - and then process the whole thing... that could take a little bit depending on the length of the clip. I've gotten decent results with it in the past before using VVocal and then Melodyne. And it's one of the simpler methods since you key-in a negative pitch shift value.
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