kennywtelejazz
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What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
Anyone here care to discuss what they may have learned and what may do differently given the chance ? Kenny
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/04 16:46:08
Get what you really want instead of wasting money on alternatives.
Room treatment matters.
A couple of pieces of decent quality hardware make more difference than a million plug-ins and emulations.
Back-ups, back-ups, back-ups.
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/04 16:46:26
Dear self,
Don't screw up your back so you can keep playing live and let the nerds push the buttons instead.
Sincerely yours...
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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I see a few members have showed up  I would definitely tell myself not to get caught up in all the petty side issues and ego trips of being a guitar player . In the near future , good guitar players are gonna sprout like an invasion of sex crazed bunny rabbits and over populate the music business .  Even keyboard players that can easily outplay the best of guitar players are gonna start using samples of well recorded guitars and get into the act .Get used to that Idea , learn from them all , and use it to your advantage . Be open to learning something new and useful in music . Hopefully something new in music that will translate into a musical skill that you can enjoy doing , get good at and use to be of service to your fellow man & woman in music . Kenny
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/04 22:16:13
Find a cheaper hobby. 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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Rain
Get what you really want instead of wasting money on alternatives.
Room treatment matters.
A couple of pieces of decent quality hardware make more difference than a million plug-ins and emulations.
Back-ups, back-ups, back-ups.
Rain Very good points you make Kenny
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:17:58
Hi,
Stop cooking in restaurants, tell the university studies to take a fudge step, and get a synthesizer! Also tell one guy where to go with his ideas!
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:17:46
"Quit screwing off and study more. Then practice what you studied."
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:17:40
Back in the 90s, I would have told myself to not buy ~ 15 grand worth of MIDI gear (rack-mount synths, etc.), much of which would just end up taking up self space and gathering dust. I'd advise myself to just acquire a minimal setup and wait until computers were able to run those functions with much more panache and with much less expense.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:33:05
I'd say, "Don't bother buying that 8 or 16 track Tascam reel to reel tape machine that you'll get next to nothing recorded on, only to sell it for a major loss eventually anyways. Wait a decade or so, until computers advance far enough that you'll be far better off investing just a fraction of that cost into something that's called a DAW. Besides, until then, time will prove that you're really not going to get anything of any substance, quality or quantity recorded before then anyways." But of course I won't have listened because of major GAS and equipment desire.  Therefore the whole point will have proven to be null and void.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:23:38
"Hey pre-Bapu; copyright, patent and otherwise protect that Am bass note ASAP."
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Oh, it's about musci production:
"Hey pre-Bapu; don't waste time trying to make everything louder than everything else. Just turn up the bass."
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:17:14
Don't sell those guitars in the 70's ?
Stay analogue?
Tell EVERYONE that Napster will completely destroy the music industry - for free !
Those PIA analogue synths might triple in value.
I occasionally get stuck with a disco song ringing out of some radio somewhere. As much as I still EyeRoll - damn if ain't nice to hear analogue tracking and real metered time.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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What would you say to yourself if you could go back in time for a pep talk ?. You have the freedom to make this thread about anything you want in your journey with music or anything you may have wish to have changed in Hindsight Possible topics can be along these lines but not restricted to any of these . Music Production & tips , Gear , playing your axe , tales from your days playing in bands , playing in clubs , going up the ladder , coming down the ladder, buying a 50's Strat for a grand , selling it to pay bills and finding out it is now worth 20 + grand ..anything you want ….nothing is off limits Lets have some fun  Kenny
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:17:06
Buy stock in Fender, Gibson and Yamaha.
Stick with the AT486 PC with Soundblaster 16 sound card and really learn as much about arrangement and midi sequencing as you can.
Learn how to use a microphone and recording technique with the Teac 3340. Record yourself, friends, choirs, whatever you can.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:16:59
I have this recurring daydream where I tell my jr high school self to stop spending all that time on algebra and instead really learn the guitar and keyboard. Probably would have wrecked my GPA but I'd be a much happier person nowadays.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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Rain
Get what you really want instead of wasting money on alternatives.
Room treatment matters.
A couple of pieces of decent quality hardware make more difference than a million plug-ins and emulations.
Back-ups, back-ups, back-ups.
@Rain I gave you the short answer before because I was on my way out the door to run errands … Yeah getting what you really want instead of wasting money on alternatives is a great one . When I worked in music stores I would tell people that …often times the difference between getting what you really want compared to settling for an inferior product is only separated by a couple of hundred bucks or only a month or two of having to save up . computers and some other stuff may be another story Room treatment , OH how I wish I could go there Your post has some cool points including the other things you mentioned. Beepster
Dear self,
Don't screw up your back so you can keep playing live and let the nerds push the buttons instead.
Sincerely yours...
Beepwad
Hey Beepster , Right On let the other guy be the moving man craigb
Find a cheaper hobby.
Craig , True to that in theory . It is possible the word hobby may just turn out to be a polite social way of saying bottomless money pit Hey , I remember a year or so ago when you had some super choice gear up on CL . Wish I had the bread at the time or even ever , my mouth was watering good stuff fellas Kenny
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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Maybe I should revise my initial reply to "Learn how to protect your money so it can't be stolen by greedy financial institutions?" I had over $130k invested in my music studio, I probably got back about $8k to $10k of that when I was forced to sell... Hey, I know! I'd tell myself not to spend any money on a drunken 31-day trip to Europe in 1981 and, instead, dump all of that money into a little-known company called Microsoft!  (Even if they did all look like dweebs! )
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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Hey Craigb, I feel for you but why were the feds chasing u? It's never happened to me , yet....
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/12/05 08:39:03
Learn the words fool, you are not as special as you think you are... get to work you bum.
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Hey Craigb, I feel for you but why were the feds chasing u?
It's never happened to me , yet....
It was certainly nothing I did "wrong" (except that I was one of the few that had always followed the rules). I got caught in the so-called "credit crunch" in 2008-2009. Lots of questionable and outright illegal banking practices resulting in my losing two houses, an SUV and over $820,000 in net worth (most of which were in the houses). So I'm starting over, but without any of the assistance that's available to youth or college grads. Weeeeee! 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 01:31:36
* Don't give Fat Terry your Simms-Watt amp to put in the studio window to sell for you, 'cos he won't give you the money. * Don't listen to Arbuckle, about anything, he knows **** all. * Don't buy that green van, they cut the chassis to put a V8 in it, and it'll fall to bits. * Don't sell that Marshall stack, no matter how skint you are. * Ignore Cubase 3. * A Hondo SD Curlee is NOT a cool guitar. * That girl at the gig in The Brunel Rooms is not going to be quite so impressed in the daylight, so make the most of it. * Watch Simon the drummer, he's going crash into The Vibrators dressing room and head-butt the singer for chatting up his bird
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 01:31:12
For me I'd pick opening my mind and learning from an experienced mixing engineer or reading a lot of great articles on mixing, rather than assuming stuff and being too stubborn to change "my sound" (whatever that was at the time) when someone else gives you advice that you don't agree with, and usually because you just don't have the experience to know any better.
A great example is our first proper full length album. 2" 24 track tape, Studer recorder, Neve console, fantastic live room and selection of mics, racks of killer vintage effects... The recording engineer was competent, and I still managed to produce this thing into a steaming muddy mess. Every track was EQ'd to sound huge in isolation, rather than carving out its own sonic space. The choice of mics and positioning of the drums was terrible. The guitar processors we used to get "our" sound were terrible and made worse by the EQ choice. Compression? Sure, I've heard of it... I think? Let's turn it up and see what it does... Disaster.
So yeah, I'd have a good talk to that guy! HAHA! Shut your mouth, open your mind, listen to other people, understand why their mixes work, be prepared to rethink everything you know, and apply that to your own preferences.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ?
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Rain
Get what you really want instead of wasting money on alternatives.
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Kids are gonna hate you ... c'mon pa ... gotta try that joint!
Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides!
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 01:30:55
I'd go back to 1978 and tell myself to listen to that guy that's going to try and get you to invest in a music video production studio. There was a future there after all.
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 01:30:44
I would drum into myself the importance of waiting until everything's completely tracked and arranged before thinking about loading a single plugin. This has always been my ruination and the source of endless tail chasing. Getting sidetracked by trying to establish a decent mix before the parts are even half complete. I kid myself that it's important to get things sounding good with EQ etc early on because it will motivate and inspire my creative process. But in reality you end up wasting 10's of hours having to constantly rework mix strategies as the arrangement progresses. In all fairness (and perhaps the root of my downfall), I actually enjoy this endless cycle of writing, arranging and mixing. But when I've made a conscious effort to avoid any mixing, things have gone a lot better. For one thing you get more writing and arranging done, with more cohesive and consistent results. For another, not having the crutch of EQ or compression encourages you to track parts that sound pretty good together from the off without any tweaking. Meaning less EQ & compression required. I know this now, but I'm still set in my ways and don't have the best work ethic. Wish I'd developed a more productive workflow from the start.
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:16:23
"You really should reconsider that full boat ride at University of the Pacific (as a percussionist) or the offer to join the special ops military band as a long drum drummer instead of following your dream".
But...
I would not trade my past with anything.
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/06 17:16:32
"Learn to site read music and play funky/slap bass."
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Moshkito
Hi,
Stop cooking in restaurants, tell the university studies to take a fudge step, and get a synthesizer! Also tell one guy where to go with his ideas!
Thats cool . Only one guy ? I must be doing something wrong I got more than one . BobF
"Quit screwing off and study more. Then practice what you studied."
Bob, +1 , that one is on my plate just about very day in todays world . thank s dmbaer
Back in the 90s, I would have told myself to not buy ~ 15 grand worth of MIDI gear (rack-mount synths, etc.), much of which would just end up taking up self space and gathering dust. I'd advise myself to just acquire a minimal setup and wait until computers were able to run those functions with much more panache and with much less expense.
@dmbaer, Whew , I remember how much all that stuff cost . Acquired a lot of that type of gear when I worked at Manny's , only on a smaller scale … I thought I was doing good when I made the jump to a Hard Disc recorder in 2000'sh . Got a Boss BR1180CD … Still have it and it ain't worth nothing Yeah computers really changed the game . thanks . jimusic
I'd say,
"Don't bother buying that 8 or 16 track Tascam reel to reel tape machine that you'll get next to nothing recorded on, only to sell it for a major loss eventually anyways.
Wait a decade or so, until computers advance far enough that you'll be far better off investing just a fraction of that cost into something that's called a DAW.
Besides, until then, time will prove that you're really not going to get anything of any substance, quality or quantity recorded before then anyways."
But of course I won't have listened because of major GAS and equipment desire.
Therefore the whole point will have proven to be null and void.
@jimusic , Yeah , I enjoyed your post . I used to jones real hard and daydream wishing I could go there with that type of gear back then . The best I could do for tape back then was a cassette Porta Studio … The times Gas won out was OK for me … wound up getting a few nice guitars and keeping a couple of them … It is enjoyable to discuss this type of thing just to see how far we have come . Yet, I wouldn't change a thing … thanks, bapu
"Hey pre-Bapu; copyright, patent and otherwise protect that Am bass note ASAP."
Ed, You are a true one of a kind Regardless of whomever copyrighted that Am bass note you speak of , in my book you are the guy who owns it bapu
Oh, it's about musci production:
"Hey pre-Bapu; don't waste time trying to make everything louder than everything else. Just turn up the bass."
It sounds like you and I share the same type of production values . You say turn up the Bass , and I say turn up the Geetar …. actually , in truth , your music sounds good thanks , Kenny
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:24:35
Along the lines of my mayte Jaymes and his Marshall Stack....
"Don't trade up your Rick 4003 for the Alembic. Just buy the Alembic. In 2015 you'll crave that authentic sound and you'll not really get it from any Kontakt Library you happen to buy."
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