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What's the deal with Ozone?
I can't get a handle on this program. The buzz around the new release has been huge so I D/L'd the demo of version 6 to check it out. I can get 6 and then a free upgrade to 7. I tried the demo and was really underwhelmed. I have Nectar 2 and I love it, but Ozone didn't seem to do much more. Since it's a complicated prg. I used presets to see how they might change things. Many of the presets I tried made no noticeable difference to the sound of the track, while the Nectar presets seemed to have more effect. So I'm not sure if Ozone is over rated, or if I have really bad ears. What's the deal with Ozone?
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 14:20:13
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ampfixer I can't get a handle on this program. The buzz around the new release has been huge so I D/L'd the demo of version 6 to check it out. I can get 6 and then a free upgrade to 7. I tried the demo and was really underwhelmed. I have Nectar 2 and I love it, but Ozone didn't seem to do much more. Since it's a complicated prg. I used presets to see how they might change things. Many of the presets I tried made no noticeable difference to the sound of the track, while the Nectar presets seemed to have more effect. So I'm not sure if Ozone is over rated, or if I have really bad ears. What's the deal with Ozone?
O6 is ok...it's ADVANCED that you want...that's where the mojo is....
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 14:50:51
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 15:20:52
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bapu Larry has his mojo on.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 16:00:08
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OK, if advanced is the real deal then I'll have to pass @ $500.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 17:03:03
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/11/02 17:16:55
Because you already own Nectar, you qualify for the loyalty upgrade - Advanced, Alloy, Insight, Trash all for $209. From JRRShop: The Loyalty Upgrade is for anyone who owns one of the following: Alloy, Ozone Advanced, Nectar, RX, or Trash Yes, Ozone is a BCP (Big Complicated Program). To get a handle on it, start with just the limiter module (Maximizer) alone. Don't bother with presets. Choose IRC3 (Intelligent Release Control type 3). Set the ceiling to -0.3 or whatever you usually use, check the "true peak limiting" option. Adjust the Character slider according to the style of music: Fast for aggressive rock, Smooth for pop and country, Transparent for ballads, classical and jazz. Now simply lower the threshold until you reach your desired loudness. No limiter is quicker or easier to achieve good results with. Next, enable the exciter module. Set the crossover points at 120, 1.5K and 6KHz (these are just my own preferences). Bring up band 3 first, just until your midrange gets crisp, then push band 4 a little higher than that while listening to cymbal hits and acoustic guitar sparkle. Finally, raise band 1 to about half the amount of band 3 and listen to kick and bass thicken up. These two modules will give you an idea of why Ozone's so well-regarded.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 17:22:10
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Thanks Dave, I'll check it out!
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 17:28:17
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/11/06 11:24:05
Dave's not here man.......
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 17:30:17
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That is very good value for money. It makes me wonder what is going on at Izotope to be honest. There is so much crossover between their products and with computers so powerful now, and melodyne lite free with several daws it's probably just as good to buy ozone advanced (where you can load components separately) and be done with it. I don't think they are selling much software so they are trying to get some new customers by almost giving it away.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 17:42:21
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I dunno, We started back in March, and I gravitated naturally to their products and the way they work. Compared to IK, they are the complete opposite in how to "take care of" loyal users.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 17:49:23
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☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2015/11/03 03:56:35
charlyg I dunno, We started back in March, and I gravitated naturally to their products and the way they work. Compared to IK, they are the complete opposite in how to "take care of" loyal users.
I disagree. I have bought everything they have put out since Ozone3 (inc. upgrades) and I would be paying the same to get up to O7 from what I have (everything) as would someone who has say Ozone 4 and Trash. Quite the opposite of loyalty I would say.... I won't buy from them ever again.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 19:31:13
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2015/11/02 21:53:31
As for me, I'm into Larry's mojo. Especially using O7 as separates, including the new ones.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:28:49
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charlyg Dave's not here man.......
dude... I can here it in my ears, dude... ya know.... cosmic, man... So last year during the BF/Xmas deals I went with completing my Fab purchases of all their mixing/mastering tools. I wavered back and forth between the Izo bundle and Fab... Since then I've picked up all ik's stuff in the sale (which I never use) and their new Stealth limiter, which I just love. I knew I'd be wondering again about this when BF/Xmas deals came around again... so convince me to ignore it or get it! I'm pretty happy with what I have and that would be cheaper...but...
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:35:25
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Business practices . . . I'm a slut, I couldn't give a rats arse about a companies business practices, if they have an excellent top notch product, and I want it, just tell me the price . . . there you go, thank you very much.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:44:21
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Richard Cranium Business practices . . . I'm a slut, I couldn't give a rats arse about a companies business practices, if they have an excellent top notch product, and I want it, just tell me the price . . . there you go, thank you very much.
In the case of Izotope I don't think are top-notch any longer and with dwindling sales have been forced to join the race to the bottom.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:47:12
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backwoods
Richard Cranium Business practices . . . I'm a slut, I couldn't give a rats arse about a companies business practices, if they have an excellent top notch product, and I want it, just tell me the price . . . there you go, thank you very much.
In the case of Izotope I don't think are top-notch any longer and with dwindling sales have been forced to join the race to the bottom.
Of course you wouldn't, you no longer use them or support them because you dislike the way they do business, thus you judgement, and everything else is colored by that dislike.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:48:45
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Dave is on the road again
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:49:11
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Well, if they were selling product, what they have done by selling everything at about a quarter of the price is very weird indeed. I think they were about to go tits up.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:54:13
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backwoods Well, if they were selling product, what they have done by selling everything at about a quarter of the price is very weird indeed. I think they were about to go tits up.
think, lol, that's the problem, you have nothing to base that off, again it is just part of your whole outlook towards them being colored by your personal dislike, nothing more, now if you had any proof . . . ? otherwise you are just pissing in the wind
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:55:30
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it's based on their pricing. It's quite an exact guess actually.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/02 21:59:14
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be careful of the blow back as that wind gets stronger, perhaps a raincoat ?
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/03 06:45:09
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☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2015/11/03 14:30:28
backwoods In the case of Izotope I don't think are top-notch any longer and with dwindling sales have been forced to join the race to the bottom.
I respectfully disagree, and I think you are confusing packaging (and even then drawing the wrong conclusion ie 'race to the bottom') with quality of product. Look at it this way, smart algorithms that work brilliantly in the mastering process as iZotope have been brilliant in delivering, do not go backwards. They work on wav files, which are a constant target. The user interface has got slicker and more feature laden, the packaging and pricing has improved. Whats not to like for even serious, professional mastering. IMHO, Ozone is capable, in the right hands, of producing as good as result as any in the contemporary scene. For me, being able to own the O6 and now O7 full production bundle at the discounted cost of $202 dollars or around £150 of our English pounds, is the best deal I have ever seen, period. I also trust iZotope to know exactly what they are doing, which as far as I can see, is adapting to the audio software market landscape in a proactive and agile manner.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/03 09:13:57
I wouldn't characterize it as a "race to the bottom", although there's no doubt that there has been enormous price competition in this still-small niche market. The cost of entry into the music software business is extremely low: basically you just need a computer and an internet connection. Well, and some rather arcane skills. But the skillset isn't out of reach for anyone already adept at some other category of realtime data processing, such as game programming. Consequently, there is a growing cottage industry of one-man operations working out of their home offices, many in low-cost locales such as Eastern Europe, India and Turkey. Those guys can sell their products for 50 bucks a pop, and $49 of that will be pure profit. Of course, there are many strata of skill levels among any group of software engineers. At the pinnacle of that hierarchy you've got a few lone wolves like Vojtech Meluzin and Aleksey Vaneev, true experts who choose not to be anyone's employee. But you'll find far more bit-flipping superstars anonymously drawing paychecks at traditionally-structured companies such as Waves, FabFilter, Sony and Avid. And make no mistake, a couple of them work at iZotope, too. I found one example of iZotope's competence when I did a survey of harmonic exciters. There are a lot of them, and nearly every one of them suffers from the same problem: aliasing. But not Ozone. You simply cannot make any of Ozone's modules alias. And yet, if you look around Ozone's UI for the oversampling options, you won't find any. While any other dynamics processor requires you to manually guess at an appropriate oversample multiplier, and punish you for forgetting to set it before rendering, Ozone just quietly handles that automatically. I have no reservations about lumping iZotope products with "the good stuff". Happily for us, it's good stuff we can now afford. Are they in financial trouble? It's possible, but I'm inclined to think it's just a matter of realistically adjusting price points in an evolving industry.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/03 08:22:21
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I have both Ozone 5 and Ozone 6 (basic versions). I still use Ozone 5 and can't find any "factory" programs that suit me in 6. I doubt that I'll upgrade to V7, based on my uses and Ozone 5 serving me well.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/03 10:42:47
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/03 10:55:14
I use Ozone 06 (basic) for mastering. I used to use Soundforge 11 which is still handy for batch file conversions etc. But to my ears, the Ozone algorithms are pretty much where the money is. And the program is rock solid. I'll be hard-pushed to change to anything else.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/03 14:25:55
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As for the music software business, you're so right Bit. If someone's a gifted software engineer with a musical ear, developing and selling a new plug-in is a great way to make money. Selling software always is, as long as you don't have to shift boxes.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/03 21:41:05
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backwoods In the case of Izotope I don't think are top-notch any longer and with dwindling sales have been forced to join the race to the bottom.
I respectfully disagree, and I think you are confusing packaging (and even then drawing the wrong conclusion ie 'race to the bottom') with quality of product. Look at it this way, smart algorithms that work brilliantly in the mastering process as iZotope have been brilliant in delivering, do not go backwards. They work on wav files, which are a constant target. The user interface has got slicker and more feature laden, the packaging and pricing has improved. Whats not to like for even serious, professional mastering. IMHO, Ozone is capable, in the right hands, of producing as good as result as any in the contemporary scene. For me, being able to own the O6 and now O7 full production bundle at the discounted cost of $202 dollars or around £150 of our English pounds, is the best deal I have ever seen, period. I also trust iZotope to know exactly what they are doing, which as far as I can see, is adapting to the audio software market landscape in a proactive and agile manner.
Well. To this I would say they are acting in a proactive and agile manner they have never shown before. 1) Everything but Ozone is to be discontinued. 2) Someone will buy them out.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/05 18:36:06
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It could also be a very smart perhaps marketing ploy, easy way to get a good amount of extra customers, say take for example the amount of people who already own Ozone and maybe some of the other Izotope plugs, get all these people to upgrade with one of the new bundles, what do they do with the extra licenses, most would probably sell them, more people owning Izotope, more people potentially buying more Izotope products, but if everyone was like me and just kept all the extra licenses well . . . Just a thought that popped to mind after noticing a decidedly higher percentage of Izotope products for sale on KVR.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/05 18:55:54
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It's an interesting evolution when professional plugin manufacturers decide to open up to a much larger group of home studio musicians and songwriters who want to get into some mixing and mastering of their own. That's why prices had to come down, substantially, and they did. I for one gladly welcome this evolution.
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Re: What's the deal with Ozone?
2015/11/05 19:04:34
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/11/06 11:52:58
Fleer It's an interesting evolution when professional plugin manufacturers decide to open up to a much larger group of home studio musicians and songwriters who want to get into some mixing and mastering of their own. That's why prices had to come down, substantially, and they did. I for one gladly welcome this evolution.
Yes, I would have gladly paid the price for the Bundle deal just for the Ozone 7 Advanced upgrade from Ozone 6 Advanced alone, and I got Trash 2 and expansions to boot, which I am liking very much and finding very useful for some extra swizzle wizzle on stuff.
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