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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/09 22:01:42
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I generally mic an amp and use a direct box into a neutral mic pre as a saftey track (for re-amp or amp sim later). When tracking an entire ensemble, I usually use a POD (also with a clean saftey track via direct box) to let the guitarist feel like he's going through an amp. (My studio space is too small to get isolation from a drum kit with 8-10 mics and keep bleed from an amp out of the drum kit). I find too often that by the time the arrangement is complete and all the tracks are ready to mix, there has been an unfortunate choice of guitar tones that won't mix well with the other tracks. In that case the direct saftey track will save your butt.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/09 23:22:47
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GNX3 - TonelabSE - VG8ex.
I also have a GR33 in the rack, and a POD around here somewhere.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/09 23:30:47
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Is it possible to plug a lead from an electric guitar, right into the trs in of your preamp and then use some Amp sim in your DAW to generate the sounds?
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 00:51:26
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If I decide to DI, I plug my guitar lead into my Yamaha MG-102c mixer. However, my Mesa/Boogie DC-2 Studio Caliber amp has a recording out socket on the back that connects to the mixer and thence to my sound card. The amp is fitted with a speaker-mute switch so I listen through my studio monitors at very comfortable levels without rattling the windows or upsetting my wife and/or neighbours.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 02:17:13
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ORIGINAL: montezuma
Is it possible to plug a lead from an electric guitar, right into the trs in of your preamp and then use some Amp sim in your DAW to generate the sounds?
That's what I do. Grace M101-Toneport-Pod Farm.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 02:26:35
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Oh...can you go Grace M101 - Pod Farm?
What's the Grace like? I was gonna get one.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 02:41:13
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I like it a lot. It gives me plenty of boost for whatever I want, doesn't really alter the tone, easy to adjust levels, phantom power, has its own power supply. I use it for mic, guitar and bass - recorded all 3 today, in fact. It's only one channel at a time, but that's exactly how many I need.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 03:23:46
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1. V-Amp Pro
2. V-Tone direct Out
3. DST830 Direct out- cab emulated
All into ART MPA Pro....ART VLA Pro.....ART Tube stereo Parametric EQ...........and sometimes thru XENYX 2442fx mixer.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 07:32:32
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I use;
The POD Pro
The Boss GS-10
And i just got the Digitech RP500. I anted a floorboard with pedal control. Its a great piece of hardware.
And for Bass guitar i use the Bass Podxt and a harke bass attack DI tone shaper pedal.
With both bass and guitars, i split the signal; and always record a dry signal into sonar. I then can use the Pod Farm Platinum to the dry signals, if needed
Cj
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 07:48:16
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ORIGINAL: montezuma
Is it possible to plug a lead from an electric guitar, right into the trs in of your preamp and then... Yes absolutely, that's what I use the preamps I mentioned above for. A great preamp with a hi impedance input is as nice a direct box as you will find. I mainly use it to record direct for later use with a Reamp.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 11:44:18
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Depending on my needs and where I am:
ART SGX 2000
SansAmp GT2
Hughes & Kettner RedBox
I try to avoid the pods / digitechs and others because I don't like their A->D convertors (I find they degrade the sound of the guitar making it sound "synthetic")
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 11:45:52
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ORIGINAL: montezuma
Is it possible to plug a lead from an electric guitar, right into the trs in of your preamp and then use some Amp sim in your DAW to generate the sounds?
Only if it's a HI-Z TRS input. Otherwise it will "suck tone" and introduce a lot of noise because of the impedance mismatch.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 12:38:31
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There aren't many "preamp"s with TRS line impedance input connections, although it's a common output connector.
More often than not the the 1/4" input connection on a "preamp" is a TS connector specifically meant for inserting a guitar or bass. The designer usually refer to it as the Hi-Z input.
Having said that most of the devices do not have a 1.5mOhm input connector as does a typical tube guitar amp... but they do mimic the moderately hi input impedance of most solid state guitar amps... and most certainly are the next step in qulaity beyond any battery powered class A direct boxed running at 15vDC on the rails.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 12:53:42
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Hmm, so much choice, and thanks for all the contrubutions-Great.
So having done some Sherlock Holmes detective work how about the following scenario for me.
1.I currently have an Edirol PCR300 MIDI controller.
2.My soundcard is the RMS Fireface 400.
Seems like I could do the following.
1.Buy a Line 6 Pod Studio KB37, and use this as my audio interface, MIDI controller and be able to record electric guitar with it.
2.Sell the Fireface and Edirol and make some money which will keep my girlfriend happy!
Would I be making a mistake, as the Line 6 seems a good and compact way to manage all tasks. I don't want to compromise sound quality too much, so would it be a risk getting rid of the Fireface?
Whaddya think?
Cheers
Scott
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 15:38:08
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ORIGINAL: scottdb
Hmm, so much choice, and thanks for all the contrubutions-Great.
So having done some Sherlock Holmes detective work how about the following scenario for me.
1.I currently have an Edirol PCR300 MIDI controller.
2.My soundcard is the RMS Fireface 400.
Seems like I could do the following.
1.Buy a Line 6 Pod Studio KB37, and use this as my audio interface, MIDI controller and be able to record electric guitar with it.
2.Sell the Fireface and Edirol and make some money which will keep my girlfriend happy!
Would I be making a mistake, as the Line 6 seems a good and compact way to manage all tasks. I don't want to compromise sound quality too much, so would it be a risk getting rid of the Fireface?
Whaddya think?
Cheers
Scott
IMHO: Pods are very useful for the working musician who needs to change tone on each song / gig. For a guitarist who doesn't have that need, it cannot match a good amp and a few selected good stomp boxes. A decent preamp in front of the fireface will give you far better results than the pod. A cheap an interesting option is the SansAmp GT2, which can be used as a stomp box in front of an amp, a DI box in front of a console, an FX box in the FX loop AND as a preamp straight into the FireFace. The Pod DA/AD convertors don't play in the same league as the fireface ones, and the pod will also limit you to recording guitar only. Have fun!
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 16:13:31
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ORIGINAL: pollux
ORIGINAL: scottdb
Hmm, so much choice, and thanks for all the contrubutions-Great.
So having done some Sherlock Holmes detective work how about the following scenario for me.
1.I currently have an Edirol PCR300 MIDI controller.
2.My soundcard is the RMS Fireface 400.
Seems like I could do the following.
1.Buy a Line 6 Pod Studio KB37, and use this as my audio interface, MIDI controller and be able to record electric guitar with it.
2.Sell the Fireface and Edirol and make some money which will keep my girlfriend happy!
Would I be making a mistake, as the Line 6 seems a good and compact way to manage all tasks. I don't want to compromise sound quality too much, so would it be a risk getting rid of the Fireface?
Whaddya think?
Cheers
Scott
IMHO:
Pods are very useful for the working musician who needs to change tone on each song / gig. For a guitarist who doesn't have that need, it cannot match a good amp and a few selected good stomp boxes.
A decent preamp in front of the fireface will give you far better results than the pod. A cheap an interesting option is the SansAmp GT2, which can be used as a stomp box in front of an amp, a DI box in front of a console, an FX box in the FX loop AND as a preamp straight into the FireFace.
The Pod DA/AD convertors don't play in the same league as the fireface ones, and the pod will also limit you to recording guitar only.
Have fun!
thanks for that. i was also looking at the sansamp Liverpool pedal, which would be ideal for my Rickenbacker. Does the same job as the sansamp GT-2 I believe. Maybe I should keep my setup, and get the Liverpool pedal. Girlfriend won't be happy though! anyone tried the Liverpool?
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 17:25:58
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ORIGINAL: scottdb
thanks for that.
i was also looking at the sansamp Liverpool pedal, which would be ideal for my Rickenbacker. Does the same job as the sansamp GT-2 I believe.
Maybe I should keep my setup, and get the Liverpool pedal. Girlfriend won't be happy though!
anyone tried the Liverpool?
All the "sansamp" series will do the trick. The rackmount units and the "paradriver DI" will also balance the signal, which can be quite handy :) If I had to choose one, I'd go for the "classic" reissue.. that thing is just SO tweakable :D I tested some of the "character" sansamps, and they sound great, but I had the feeling that the GT2 (and the classic, but was hardly found at that time) can output the same sounds, all in one :D I guess the best would be if you compare them yourself at a guitar store ;)
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 18:47:06
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if you go the pod or software route, i'll guarantee that every time you then plug into a real amp, you'll go "oh yea"  i'm of the opinion, that if EVER there was a time to be inspired, it's while you're recording. i just never felt any inspiration from a pod or reamp or amplitube..... YMMV
post edited by batsbrew - 2009/06/10 18:59:28
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/10 20:41:13
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ORIGINAL: batsbrew
if you go the pod or software route, i'll guarantee that every time you then plug into a real amp, you'll go "oh yea"
And then you'll say, "now, let's get this amp into the live room, and a good monitor mix up, and by the way, where's my 75-foot guitar cable and the drone intern to tweak the amp and move the mics while we get a sound up in the control room?"
i'm of the opinion, that if EVER there was a time to be inspired, it's while you're recording.
i just never felt any inspiration from a pod or reamp or amplitube.....
YMMV
In my opinion, it's exactly that inspiration, and re-inspiration, and creative flexibility that make DI recording and modelers and amp sims so useful in modern recordmaking. But to each her own.
post edited by Marah - 2009/06/11 19:12:29
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 13:53:47
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POD XT w POD farm VST.
POD XT is the dongle, and I go straight into the hiZ of my Presonus.
I love it.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 14:24:22
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I use a Pod. I think it's the 2.0 version, but not sure.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 14:56:35
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lot of pod fans here- i had one when they first came out and loved it- i used to play it into my old tascam 4 track tape recorder.
for some reason i just didn't like the way my second pod (2 i think it was), sounded when going into my computer recording world. so i got put off. maybe i should revisit them?
what's the difference between a pod xt pro and a pod 3?
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 16:03:33
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"where's my 75-foot guitar cable"
Would you settle for a forty footer?
That's how I've got my Lindy Fralin real 54's connected to my '75 Princeton Reverb with the facory JBL K-110 and the brand new NOS JAN 6v6GTa's I got toasting in there.
fast AND fun.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 19:17:25
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A forty footer would be fine, especially if the drone intern is a cutie. :) That's how I've got my Lindy Fralin real 54's connected to my '75 Princeton Reverb with the facory JBL K-110 and the brand new NOS JAN 6v6GTa's I got toasting in there. Only vaguely aware of what those things are, but I bet they're fantastic. Fast and fun indeed! :)
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 19:28:36
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In my opinion, it's exactly that inspiration, and re-inspiration, and creative flexibility that make DI recording and modelers and amp sims so useful in modern recordmaking. see, that's where we part the ways.... i'm looking for an artistic expression that is of the moment.... happening, right then and there, old school, and like mike says, down and dirty, "fast AND fun." that's exactly what i'm talking about! heheh i'm not going to be inspired by what i think i might be able to do later at mixdown. i'm trying to capture a moment, it's like trying to bottle an emotion. for me, that's where the magic of making music is. Only vaguely aware of what those things are, but I bet they're fantastic. that kind of underscores my point. if you were more than vaguely aware of these types of things, i'd bet you'd totally get where i was coming from. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that method doesn't work... i'm only saying it doesnt work for me. i'm not a total purist, cuz i'm willing to work with midi clips for drum tracks!
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 19:30:28
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that coming from someone who has to engineer themselves....
so, typically, i've already got my sounds and stuff dialed in, all i have to do, is dedicate a time to work on parts, and just try to play from the heart.
that's why i need the inspiration from a totally dialed in guitar rig.
but i know exactly what i want, and how to get it, so that's part of it.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 19:59:37
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ORIGINAL: scottdb
Hmm, so much choice, and thanks for all the contrubutions-Great.
So having done some Sherlock Holmes detective work how about the following scenario for me.
1.I currently have an Edirol PCR300 MIDI controller.
2.My soundcard is the RMS Fireface 400.
Seems like I could do the following.
1.Buy a Line 6 Pod Studio KB37, and use this as my audio interface, MIDI controller and be able to record electric guitar with it.
2.Sell the Fireface and Edirol and make some money which will keep my girlfriend happy!
Would I be making a mistake, as the Line 6 seems a good and compact way to manage all tasks. I don't want to compromise sound quality too much, so would it be a risk getting rid of the Fireface?
Whaddya think?
Cheers
Scott
Take a listen to a couple of the songs in my link, and let me know if there is a quality issue. Most of the guitars and all of the vocals were recorded through my Line 6 KB37. Randy
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/11 20:37:19
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Hi batsbrew. I think I pretty much get where you're coming from. In fact, as I read your two posts, I'm thinking, yes, that makes perfect sense. :) Plus, I'm somewhat overstating my pov just because, well, you know. ;) What we're doing isn't all that different, other than the modeler/amp difference. Especially in less than optimal recording environments, I'm a big believer and advocate of modelers, if only for efficiency's sake, but I think the difference between the two approaches is a fairly small part of the process. Procedurally and creatively, they're not all that different. I have my POD set up on dual channels, one clean (or moderately processed for good reampability) and the other with the sound that I'm using, tweaked for my purposes, and which is of course part of the inspiration. I usually record both signals, though sometimes I won't track the processed one, especially early on, cos even though it's inspiring, my needs might change as the recording develops. In any case, I always have the sound, and the mix, that's inspiring me at that the moment, including when I'm working on a part. Couldn't really do it any other way. The main difference is that instead of getting the sound from an amp, into a mic, then to disk, and then into a mix, which is when I'll first HEAR what I've actually GOT for the first time; I'm working more within a mix context earlier in the process. Amp or modeler, most tracks, especially early on, will need additional sculpting as the production evolves. I guess my point is, on the other side of that sculpting, any sonic differences between amp and modeler are going to converge. Genre can make a huge difference in all this. I do a neo classic modern rock noise pop kind of thing. It doesn't at all lack inspiration, and much of it comes spontaneously or through happy accidents, but there's still nothing especially "real" or "authentic" or "natural" about it from a recording pov, eg, the sound of real guitar or real drums. Even when it's real, it's fake. Just tone and rhythm structured in sequence.
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RE: What's Everyone Using To Record Guitar Direct to DAW?
2009/06/12 11:24:36
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the way you run your setup, marah, that makes sense.
and having the clean track for reamping, gives you all the opportunity you need to apply any sound you can create later, as you're creating the mix.
that totally works.
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