What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel?

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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/10 19:57:19 (permalink)
Unfortunately I've been in one of these quite a few times.

http://www.whisperroom.com/sound-booth-applications-audiology.php

Want to hear just how bad your tinnitus is, sit in one of these for 10 minutes. :)

They feel flimsy when you step in them, I wish I knew what they made them from, they can't be that expensive to build on your own.



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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/10 22:47:55 (permalink)
I was going to build something like that but then I had to move. Now that I'm moved I may revisit the idea... my neighbors are very sensitive. Removeable walls so it can be moved/transported easily.
 
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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/11 10:15:32 (permalink)
Those whisperrooms (and other similar booths) do very little to stop low frequencies. Their published specs stop at 125 Hz, and you can see how ineffective they start to get by extrapolating their specs from 500 to 250 to 125. So if you want to isolate drums or bass or anything else with lots of low frequency content, they're not worth the money.


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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/11 11:18:19 (permalink)
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"I think one reason is because it isn't possible get access to an available alternative space or to treat the space you are in, therefore, in order to clean up the sound from the horrible reflections afforded by being surrounded by a plaster rectangle, a closet may be the only way you can get a signal free enough from the unwanted stuff to give you a chance of simulating a better sounding compromise."

I think I missed your post by moments.

I wasn't trying to be a wise guy but rather hoping to excite someone to offer the very explanation you just provided.

Personally, I do everything possible to stay out of "vocal booths"... they sound like vocal booths unless you obsess on making them dead... which is rarely effective.

I think that by the time a person learns how to place a mic and actually sing well in a vocal booth that they have probably learned enough about recording vocals to sound even better out in a moderately sized room.

Which is why I urge people to question "why" they are using a vocal booth mentality.

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I agree. I like the depth of a larger room versus the squeezed effect I've experienced with booths. Booths are for drummers. You put them in there and lose the key.  Just kidding... I like my drummer, I take him for walks and everything.


 
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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/11 22:31:25 (permalink)
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Those whisperrooms (and other similar booths) do very little to stop low frequencies. Their published specs stop at 125 Hz, and you can see how ineffective they start to get by extrapolating their specs from 500 to 250 to 125. So if you want to isolate drums or bass or anything else with lots of low frequency content, they're not worth the money.
These booths are specifically designed for vocals, not drums and bass, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?


The one I was in looked like they had some kind of stretchable material with holes in it stretched over a hard surface. There wasn't a whole heck of a lot to it and it felt flimsy, but it was dead silent in there. :)



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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/12 07:20:49 (permalink)
I think his point might have been that you can't use it effectively as an isolation booth during a live multi track session... unless you put the whisper room in a quiet room that doesn't have a band in it.

That may not apply to a lot of people's interest. It may just be a pertinent distinction to some folks.

It does invite the question; If you already have a quiet room, do you need much more than that to get a great vocal take?

I have a friend who just bought a whisper room, he's learning that it serves best as a tool to keep his neighbors happy. He can still hear the garbage truck outside the building when he's inside it... the low frequencies sneak through, but his neighbors hear less of his singing and guitar amp.

The last time I had an audiologist test in a booth like that they shoved earplugs in my head to finalize the sense of isolation. The walls were 12" thick hi density fiber material so that helped too.


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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/12 08:43:15 (permalink)
My current home studio serves a double purpose - it's also a storage space for my wife's stage clothes - so the wall on my left is literally covered w/ them. This gave me a place to start. 

I have a couple of big japanese shoji screens which I can place if front of the mic, and on which I throw duvets. So it's wall > singer >mic >shoji screens.

This usually helps to tame at least some of the reflections but it still breathes. Those shoji screens are light, easy to manipulate, and take very little space to store when you fold them back. 

The room itself is relatively big, so it's not that bad to begin with, it's not as intrusive as a smaller one. 

Short of a decent-size room like the one I use right now, and if there's no room in the house which will do the job w/o severe alteration, I'd opt for the most isolation I can get. If using a walk-in, I'd try to make sure that every surface is covered. 


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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/12 08:53:59 (permalink)
I've built a vocal booth from used office partitions (cubical walls). I got a bunch for free from Craigslist. It worked out pretty good. I eventually had to use them for drum/guitar partitions so I'm in the market for some more used ones. Everyday I check Craigslist, so far no luck. I guess in this tough economy pp got wise and realized they can make money from selling them. I might end up going to a local used office furniture store and have one custom made for a couple hundred bucks. This a lot cheaper then building one with 2x4 & drywall. Already went down that road and figured it would cost $1,000 with labor and materials. I've been able to get good sounding vocals with out it but something about a booth goes a long way with impressing clients. I know...they should be impressed with my work, but sometimes a nice looking vocal booth or professional well organized workstation desk will give a client that feeling that they're working with a professional sound engineer and can justify spending the extra money it'll take to get the job done...IMHO

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Re:What's a better vocal booth... closet full of clothes, or vocal panel? 2012/04/12 10:15:20 (permalink)
Bub said: These booths are specifically designed for vocals, not drums and bass, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

I say: No, right on their applications page they say "drum isolation booth". And they mention instruments. I'm just saying that they're not useful for containing instruments like drums. And they're not useful in keeping out low frequency sounds like traffic. I have personal experience with them. I would not buy one. Other people might find them very useful and worth the money. That's the point I'm trying to make.

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