Freddie H


I'm "pro" on many things but I don't get this one?
Don't want to type, don't use keyboard?

I don't have a keyboard on my desk space.
It's tucked away on a pull out shelf under my work surface.
I work in the dark.
Until X1 I had no need to use my keyboard other than to enter my login and name a project.
A computer keyboard just clutters the work surface which just has my notes, a mouse mat and my midi keyboard on it.
A computer keyboard is so pre-Windows.

Twigman

Freddie H


I'm "pro" on many things but I don't get this one?
Don't want to type, don't use keyboard?

I don't have a keyboard on my desk space.
It's tucked away on a pull out shelf under my work surface.
I work in the dark.
Until X1 I had no need to use my keyboard other than to enter my login and name a project.
A computer keyboard just clutters the work surface which just has my notes, a mouse mat and my midi keyboard on it.
A computer keyboard is so pre-Windows.

If you consider that a keyboard is almost like a diffuser at 26kHz then maybe you'll get used to the idea.

:-)



JOKING!!!

Freddie H

mike_mccue


"I wonder why SONAR before X1 had all this cluttered icons in the top?"

Possibly because your assistant engineer never took a moment to turn off the ones that you didn't prioritize?

best regards,
mike

excuse me but I'm both the Producer, Songwriter, Mixer and the engineer..
And I'm a publisher @ SONY BMG too but that is another story....

Good for you....sounds like you might be a Typist too.
I'm not.
And I never want to be.

It wouldn't be bad to have the option to add new stuff either in X1. But what should the rest of GUI control panel go?
Should the new icons "Option" be add under it?

Freddie H


It wouldn't be bad to have the option to add new stuff either in X1. But what should the rest of GUI control panel go?
Should the new icons "Option" be add under it?

I think if you start with the notion, as I am personally thinking, that there is lots of wasted space in the new ui... you have a lot of options.

UnderTow

I can understand you don't want to use a keyboard but dissing keyboard usage is ridiculous. All pros use keyboard shortcuts because they are quicker. If you want to have all those functions available by clicking, that is fine just don't use the wrong arguments. That won't convince people.

UnderTow

Replace "pros" with "adequate computer users" and you have EXACTLY my thoughts. Not to say of course that a program shouldn't allow any method to work with, but personally speaking if I was forced to sacrifice something of the two, that would be mouse-clicking.

I think if you start with the notion, as I am personally thinking, that there is lots of wasted space in the new ui... you have a lot of options.

 
FWIW, Even though I like the new GUI... I'm all for making improvements (which includes making better or more efficient use of space).
 
Have you tested the Sonar X1 Helper Utility (from benstat)?

Freddie H


It wouldn't be bad to have the option to add new stuff either in X1. But what should the rest of GUI control panel go?
Should the new icons "Option" be add under it?

I've been thinking about that...

At first I was picturing the control and and another bar/area that one could opt for one/other/both... The second area could simply be a toolbar area...

But thinking how much wasted space would likely occur, I'm now thinking that a single area that housed either/both area in a re-sizable zone... So we might use the snap and trasnport modules in Control bar and our choice of toolbars in the remaining area...? That would make me feel REAL good!

Mod Bod

I wish I could say that it is funny because SONAR has had it all for quite some time but it's becoming not so funny to me.  It's getting to be a pain when Cakewalk is trying to be all things to all people.  I wish they would decide who they want to be and who they want to sell product to and then get on with it.

Me, I prefer 100% configurability.  Right down to every menu system and widget. 

    To me, 100% configurability is trying to be everything to everyone.  Simplifying the GUI and moving toward a common workflow is picking a direction and getting on with it.  I mean this in all seriousness and make this point to make you consider:   Could it be that the direction they picked doesn't fit your ideal and that what you really want is for them to be all things to all people, so that they can continue to be what you want?

  I think configurability is desirable.  We also have to face the fact that making a 100% configurable system is enormously complex and error-prone, and possibly slower and less stable as a result.  We also want a fast and stable DAW.  These are at opposite ends of a decision-making spectrum so far as designing a product.  We want a lot of features and all the bugs wrung out before release(not to have things rushed out the door as some have suggested) yet we also want to reserve the right to crab and moan when the release hasn't dropped by a certain date.  We want the patch to fix everything and make everything more configurable and complex, and yeah, by the way, why the heck isn't it here yet?

  As users, we demand a lot.  We demand a lot of things that are opposing.  Trying to please everyone is impossible.  I think Cakewalk do an admirable job at the balancing act.  They stumble here and there, but usually when they do they try their best to make it right given some time.

pete

Once again I'm here to agree with Mike...

In their' zeal to create such a creature, they did! We had it and it works... The bugs it has are mostly still with us in X1 (with some new ones added)... Tho a few have been addressed and either working or near working... should they release when things aren't perfect? Absolutely! Nothing is ever perfect...

Do we expect too much? No we expect what we know is possible... (tho maybe difficult)... Most of the things we're discussing here don't even approach the difficult... If there are shortcuts, they can easily be buttons (and vice-versa) so what's the problem? Don't think it looks good for first time users? fine make the control bar and multi-windowed approach the default.... Just let me add toolbars the the control bar area (or some such) and that issue can be put to bed....

What's all this arguing about? If someone doesn't want to use/expose these tools, they don't have to...

Can anyone think of any other relase they came out with that didn't have a feature previously available? Welll... I can think of one... The studioware creation stuff... but what else did we ever lose? New things were gained, not lost!

...and even with this it will STILL not be everybody's cup of tea.... That's why there are others who use PT/DP/etc... They prefer that!

I continue to ramble on just to elucidate! (hopefully)


Make Marvelous Music!!! Let's not nit-pick favorite tools... l ;-)

mike_mccue


When I was a kid in South Florida we used to go outside and watch the rockets launch and take people to the moon.

It was inspirational.

I'll bet!

Boy do I wish I could have done that! I watched every launch on TV and I still watch many via the internet...

Some people have all the luck! ;-)