When auditioning takelanes SOLO buttons are not being displayed.

Well...
So I spent 2 or 3 hours really trying to nail takelanes this evening and I'm finally starting to understand how they work and getting to like them.


Sidestep...
I think my previous issue with takelanes was my own stupid fault, I should have always had comp on whilst recording. I notice there are a number of possible issues with takelanes and overwrite/sound on sound record mode on, I'll leave that to another thread suffice to say I don't understand the logic at all with takelanes for these recording modes.


Back to the subject...
Anyway back to comp record and takelanes. After playing with this functionality and finally getting a grip I realised that how playback of takelanes are being displayed, it looks like SOLO should switched on, on the lanes, whilst playing back and it isn't. Now that caused me confusion, so without further ado, here are the steps in more detail so I can clearly show what I mean:

STEPS
New Project
Add a new soft synth track. (Insert -> Soft Synth -> Dialog appears, please ensure only Simple Instrument Track is ticked and not MIDI source)
Press record (in comp mode) and loop a part five times
View the take lanes
Select a clip and press SHIFT + Spacebar to audition.

EXPECTED
SOLO button should be displayed next to current take lane being auditioned.
The comping lane at the top should have SOLO displayed for half the button (like write automation record on one control only) to indicate a solo is going on a takelane.

ACTUAL
SOLO button is not displayed next to current take lane.

NOTE
The same situation exists if you navigate and preview other clips around the takelanes with the arrow keys. The solo light should switch on whenever a takelane is live, and switch off when it is not (in effect the solo button should follow around with the current auditioned track) and this is not happening.

ALSO NOTE
You could argue this is a sort of special "magic" SOLO and therefore this does not need to be indicated (as it is in a takelane), however I suggest this is not so, please follow these steps. (a) Record another track of music (b) Select Dim Solo at the top. (c) Repeat the original steps on the original takelane and you will hear the other track in the background. This will disappear if you don't have DIM SOLO on. So this should prove the point that SOLO is going on, it's just not being indicated.
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I hope this makes sense?

Any comments?


Thanks...

Hi Conley

Are you able to follow my steps? The issue is not hearing solo, its seeing the solo buttons. You've got to be speed comping though with the keyboard...Otherwise my steps work as intended I think . Thanks for the reply!

Can anybody check out my steps?
Thanks..

Hi Dan, thanks for replying...!
 
I understand the technical perspective in terms of your C++ coding what you are saying is true, but from the UI perspective how do I manually SOLO a clip with my mouse, and then how would I solo another clip in the SAME takelane when they are in different places on the timeline? In effect really what you are doing is SOLOing a takelane - right?
Wouldn't you agree this would be a lot better that it was indictated what you were hearing?
At present there are no visual indicators here as to what is going on (like you would normally expect), and I'm suggesting this could be one of the reasons for confusion.
 
Please see this point in my original post:
 
You could argue this is a sort of special "magic" SOLO and therefore this does not need to be indicated (as it is in a takelane), however I suggest this is not so, please follow these steps. (a) Record another track of music (b) Select Dim Solo at the top. (c) Repeat the original steps on the original takelane and you will hear the other track in the background. This will disappear if you don't have DIM SOLO on. So this should prove the point that SOLO is going on, it's just not being indicated.
 
Cheers...

Guitarmech111
I did run into a problem where speed comping did not woirk as expected. After pressing CTRL-SPACEBAR playback started as expected, but the up and down arrows did nothing to advance or try the previous takes.

Speed comping is Shift+Spacebar. Ctrl+Spacebar just toggles normal playback between Pause and Rewind to Now Marker modes.

When you do Insert -> Soft Synth -> a Dialog appears, please ensure only Simple Instrument Track is ticked and not MIDI source, that way you will only have one track (not MIDI + audio). I updated the original post to make this clear. The issue isn't about selecting or clicking on SOLO buttons (not in the steps), it's trying to get across that they should automatically be turned on and off when you press SHIFT + Spacebar when auditioning, at present this isn't happening.
 
Thanks for trying...
 

CakeAlexS
When you do Insert -> Soft Synth -> a Dialog appears, please ensure only Simple Instrument Track is ticked and not MIDI source, that way you will only have one track (not MIDI + audio). I updated the original post to make this clear. The issue isn't about selecting or clicking on SOLO buttons (not in the steps), it's trying to get across that they should automatically be turned on and off when you press SHIFT + Spacebar when auditioning, at present this isn't happening.
 
Thanks for trying...
 

That makes more Sense Alex, thanks.

brundlefly

Guitarmech111
I did run into a problem where speed comping did not woirk as expected. After pressing CTRL-SPACEBAR playback started as expected, but the up and down arrows did nothing to advance or try the previous takes.

Speed comping is Shift+Spacebar. Ctrl+Spacebar just toggles normal playback between Pause and Rewind to Now Marker modes.

Oh!
Thanks Dave, this is a killer point and I've caused confusion. wherever I said CTRL + Spacebar I meant SHIFT + Spacebar (Sorry senior moment!), I have updated all my posts accordingly to take account of this. Apologies.
 
Maybe the point I made on the original post will be a lot clearer now.

Thanks Steve for your comments...
 
I argue there is no such thing as SOLO'ing Clip, as the from a software developers angle maybe, but in effect here you are SOLO'ing a takelane like a track when you are auditioning. I can supply evidence as well that this is the case. The section under "ALSO NOTE" at the end of post #1 basically proves without any doubt that from a console perspective that takelanes are being SOLO'd like tracks, otherwise DIM SOLO would not work. If my logic is flawed from this angle could somebody look at what I have written about DIM SOLO and attempt to demonstrate where my logic is flawed.
 
> So it's not as though every clip on that lane is or will be solo'd which IMHO is a subtle yet distinct difference.....from clip to clip to clip the lane solo buttons could be lighting up like a Christmas tree. 
 
Nope, only the current lane with the clip being auditioned will have the solo button lit up. Solo button light will around move with the arrow keys as a ckip is being auditioned, and if you think about it, this will make things really clear as to what is going on!
 
In addition (as an enhancement) you could have the track SOLO button half lit up (like partial write automation record button) to indicate take lanes are being SOLO'd, to make things super dooper clear.
 
Right now we are supposed to assume we know what is going on, and this isn't intuative and not helping those new to takelanes.
 
I hope this makes things clearer...

Sorry no, what I said was...
 
The comping lane at the top should have SOLO displayed for half the button (like write automation record on one control only) to indicate a solo is going on a takelane.
 
i.e. It looks like the partiial write automation button, only green. But this is absolutely nothing at all to do with automation though. I used this as an example. This is just a way to indicate that some of the takelanes have SOLO in force. It was an entirely seperate point though... No automation has nothing to do with this anywhere.... hope this is clear.... thanks for your comment.

Submitted CWBRN-22805 as below....
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This is the issue: when SHIFT + SPACEBAR auditions a clip, the SOLO button should light up for the takelane for which that clip is contained. If the user navigates away from that takelane for that clip (via up or down arrow) the SOLO button should switch off and the SOLO button should switch on for the current takelane where the clip is being auditioned. In a nutshell the SOLO button follows the up and down arrow keys. When Shift Space is pressed again the audition functionality has stopped, and so all the SOLO's should be turned off.  This will clearly indicate what is actually going on, and this should be happening by design (it is not, it is "phantom solo" when it comes to displaying).


Note you can't even hear the other tracks when you are auditioning (no not takelanes, tracks!) in the project whilst looping over a clip, therefore the takelane is in SOLO but NOT DISPLAYING SOLO!!!!! There should be absolutely no dispute about this, want proof?


Well you could argue this is a sort of special "magic" SOLO and therefore this does not need to be indicated (as it is in a takelane), however I will show you this is not so, please follow these steps. (a) Record another track of music next to a track with takelanes (b) Select Dim Solo at the top. (c) Audition takelanes and you will hear the other track in the background. This will disappear if you don't have DIM SOLO on. So this should prove the point that SOLO functionality is ACTUALLY going on, it's just not being indicated.


Also please note - yes when auditioning the other clip's are muted when not being played back in takelanes, but this is totally irrelevant to my point here. I'm talking about the SOLO behaviour that is going on.


TRY THESE STEPS

New Project
Add a new soft synth track. (Insert -> Soft Synth -> Dialog appears, please ensure only Simple Instrument Track is ticked and not MIDI source)
Press record (in comp mode) and loop a part five times
View the take lanes
Select a clip and press SHIFT + Spacebar to audition.
 
EXPECTED

SOLO button should be displayed next to current take lane being auditioned.
The comping lane at the top should have SOLO displayed for half the button (like write automation record on one control only) to indicate a solo is going on a takelane.

ACTUAL
SOLO button is not displayed next to current take lane.
 
NOTE
The same situation exists if you navigate and preview other clips around the takelanes with the arrow keys. The solo light should switch on whenever a takelane is live, and switch off when it is not (in effect the solo button should follow around with the current auditioned track) and this is not happening.
 
FINALLY The above should be happening by design! The solo button is not being displayed and it should be! But for Bonus points the comping lane at the top should have SOLO displayed for half the button (so it looks like the partial write automation record button which shows a diagonal red triangle, this SOLO button could show a diagonal green triangle) to indicate a solo is going on in one of the takelanes below.