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2015/04/07 20:51:06 (permalink)

When did we become so frail a species?

As far as I can remember from growing up in the 70s and 80s, the world didn't seem so full of danger. It was just called being a little boy and growing up.
 
I seem to wake up in this new century where the slightest shock to your head might mean concussion. For anyone who grew up playing hockey and practicing martial arts, listening to doctors and specialists in 2015, it's a miracle that more of us aren't in a vegetative state.
 
Seems impossible to even just bump your head against a cabinet door w/o suffering from a concucssion.
 
How many time have I been smashed and have I smashed others head first on the Tatami? Usually, unless you loss consciousness, no one thought much of it. Last thing I remember from my last judo competition is landing head first on the mat while warming up w/ a fellow. Oops... Happens. I was stunned I guess. I don't remember much of the fight. But ironically, I remember that it's the first time I heard of "concussions" on the bus afterwards because one guy had taken quite a beating and was on an ambulance with a concussion and bleeding...
 
The reason I ask is that I just came back from the doctor and finally got my MRI results - radiculopathy at cervical level in 3 spots. Pinched nerves If I understand correctly. 
 
And I'm thinking of the accident and trying to put that into perpective in terms of shock compared to say, being put in check playing hockey, or falling down skateboarding or just being a boy growing up. It seems incredible that I managed through all those hits and blows and that I am alive and relatively well today.
 
But I can't deny that a hit that seemed manageable by comparison at firsthand definitely caused actual damage and that I must undergo treatment... Months later, I still can't train or play my bigger guitars - and if I omit anti-inflammatory for a day or two, my body lets me know... 
 
It's odd.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/07 21:02:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/04/07 21:15:56
I think we were less likely to diagnose things in the past.  When i was a child, you got your bell rung and just went back to playing.  Probably had plenty of concussions (that probably explains a lot) as a child without ever being told I did.  i don't think we are any more frail, just more apt to give it a name.  Every day i discover a new "syndrome" for stuff that has been around forever.  Still wrapping my mind around restless leg syndrome.
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/07 21:21:38 (permalink)
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Still wrapping my mind around restless leg syndrome.


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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/07 21:52:16 (permalink)
When I was a kid we played cricket in the street. One day as a 6 year old I was chasing after a rolling ball and watching it so intensely that I ran straight into a brick wall and split my head open. No biggie - my mother drove me to the hospital, they stitched it up and I was back playing cricket in a couple of hours, with strict instructions from my mother to be more bloody careful this time. Times have, indeed, as they say, changed. 

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/07 22:19:29 (permalink)
Knowledge is a dangerous thing. Or not.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 04:10:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/04/08 04:33:10
You were checked by a 2,000 pound player skating 40 mph. Does that feel about right?

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 04:43:58 (permalink)
I guess so. :)
 
The good news is that I'm starting physiotherapy tomorrow (well, today actually). The doctor first suggested a procedure that implied putting me to sleep and injecting stuff in my neck but I thought we could maybe start with something a bit less intrusive.
 
My physiotherapist did wonders for my lower back problems in a single session last fall, and I trust that she may be able to help me big time once again. Having needles messing in my neck where there are so many nerves and all seemed a tad radical as a first treatment.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 07:37:12 (permalink)
I once built a kart out of odd bits of wood & wheels that were lying around.
 
I thought it would be a great idea to take it up a nearby steep hill and see how fast I could go.
 
Trouble was, there were no brakes so I eventually stopped by crashing into the lamp post at the bottom of the hill.
 
That one hurt quite a bit.
 
 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 08:58:16 (permalink)
I used to ride bikes without helmets, we drank from the water hose,  rode skateboards with out pads, rode in cars with no seat-belts which also had metal dashboards, played with real bows and arrows in the woods, shot BB guns in the basement, played with mercury on our desks, inhaled second hand smoke everywhere, and so many more things........ somehow, I survived all that.....
 
Now however, if you don't bake a cake for me and place upon it the words " Guitarists are the best musicians in the world" and a plastic statue of a rock star with a guitar...... because you think that only bass guitarists qualify in that respect, I will find a lawyer and sue you into oblivion and you will wish you had studied the oboe instead.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 09:20:56 (permalink)
I can't believe it. You said the word oboe. 
 
Your mention of that infernal noise maker reminds me of the time I was forced to play in an orchestra. I don't remember what we played, but the percussion sheet music would frequently call for resting for 437 measures, waking up to play for one measure, and then resting for another 361 measures. The whole experience was mind-numbingly boring. You have triggered my self-diagnosed PTBD (Post Traumatic Boredom Disorder) and my lawyers will descend on you like a Beagle on a platter of becan. I have you now! Prepare for your ultimate destruction! Weep for your...
 
(What do you mean, "that's not a real thing?" I can't sue for that? Can I sue someone for not making laws that would let me sue someone for something I just made up?)
 
Um... Never mind. 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 09:46:32 (permalink)
Lol Bubba.....
 
I like the 'old school' mentality........it builds character.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 10:01:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/04/08 10:21:27
 
 
I think what has definitely changed over the last couple of decades is that when one undergoes some misfortune or malady, it now has to be somebody's fault - and usually not one's own. No one seems to take responsibility for their actions anymore - there's a blame culture, and indeed a thriving litigation culture running alongside that has become invasive into every aspect of our lives.
 
I do think we probably cosset our kids in cotton wool too much though. And as others have mentioned, now every malady, perceived or real, has got its own name, it sort of legitimises both the affliction, it's treatment and of course, its cause.
 
I remember speeding downhill on my old 10-speed racing bike when I was about 17, and as if in slow motion, I can still see the light bracket I had attached to my front fork work itself loose and drop down into the spokes of the front wheel catapulting me over the handlebars. Luckily, I landed on my shoulder and sustained no more than a really bad (and painful) sprain. Add in all the knock and bumps I sustained playing rugby, I guess I got off rather lightly.
 
Either that, or I must be a bit of a tough old boot
 
 

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 10:33:51 (permalink)
I think there's a lot of things in play here.... and one of them is the "lottery mentality".... I mean, come on, it's easier to sue someone else for your own stupidity than it is to accept responsibility for yourself.  The big start to this was the lady who spilled hot coffee on herself then sued Micky Dee's because they didn't tell her the coffee was hot.  She won the lawsuit. In another time, she would have been laughed at for the dolt she was. "Couldn't hold it dearie?" Bwahahahahahahaha.....
 
So now, just act like you're offended because of something that 10 years ago you would have been laughed at for even mentioning and if you get the right lawyer and jury, you can retire to a tropical island on the winnings. Maybe they'll even name a new law after you so others won't suffer that same indignity.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 10:34:50 (permalink)
 
 
Dr Hibbert: You have an absolutely unique genetic condition known as "Homer Simpson Syndrome" ...
 
Homer Simpson: Awwwww....... why me?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 11:08:03 (permalink)
Well said Steve.
    I also agree that people don't like to take responsibility for their actions and always looking for a scapegoat/escape route. Also this widely promoted new fad of being "sensitive or offensive" to others takes away from the rough & tumble ways we were used to when growing up. No one made much of a big deal when we used to get slightly hurt as that was all part of growing up (mentally & physically). Men nowadays aren't as 'manly' as they used to be and tend to be much more feminine in mannerisms/dressware than they did in the not so distant past.......the "good old days".
 
My wife & I do make a concious effort in not 'babying' our children (especially when getting minor scrapes/cuts) as they'll need to be tough when/if something serious happens. Mustn't sweat the small stuff. While typing this, my wife just called and said my 4 yr. old son fell and scraped his knee playing outside.....remedy was to wash it with the garden hose and sending him back to play. He was simply happy to get back to the yard.          
 

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 11:23:18 (permalink)
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I think what has definitely changed over the last couple of decades is that when one undergoes some misfortune or malady, it now has to be somebody's fault - and usually not one's own. No one seems to take responsibility for their actions anymore - there's a blame culture, and indeed a thriving litigation culture running alongside that has become invasive into every aspect of our lives.




Bingo!  It's become a sad state of affairs.  

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 11:42:57 (permalink)
Could it be the sports simply are more dangerous today?
Even junior ice hockey players are today faster than the adults 50 years ago, and the helmets and other protective gear gives you false sense of safety. The head-tackles are a big thing now because the speed and size of the players is what it is.
 
Also, already ten year old kids snowboarding or skateboarding, they don't just "try things". They really test their limits trying to do what they see on TV, performing life threatening tricks all day long. Plus downhill biking, parkour and the likes. The tricks you see the teenagers do in Youtube and wherever are unbelievable, but often also unbelievably stupid.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 11:52:11 (permalink)
Ten thousand years ago we'd already be dead.
Before reaching the ages we are now.

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 12:23:22 (permalink)
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Could it be the sports simply are more dangerous today?
Even junior ice hockey players are today faster than the adults 50 years ago, and the helmets and other protective gear gives you false sense of safety. The head-tackles are a big thing now because the speed and size of the players is what it is.
 
Also, already ten year old kids snowboarding or skateboarding, they don't just "try things". They really test their limits trying to do what they see on TV, performing life threatening tricks all day long. Plus downhill biking, parkour and the likes. The tricks you see the teenagers do in Youtube and wherever are unbelievable, but often also unbelievably stupid.


Common sense is also severly lacking today..........if it's going to be 'life threatening', it may not be the best thing to do just for a trick.
When growing up, I used to do all those crazy stuff on skateboards, racing downhill on 10 speed bikes without a helmut, crazy stunts on BMX bikes (no helmut), playing almost every sport etc....but, we all learned very quickly what can and cannot do........after a few falls/cuts/scrapes. Of course, we didn't have that mentality to do these sports or stunts in 'extreme' as common sense always prevailed.
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 13:38:38 (permalink)
If this doesn't annoy you then I don't know what will: 
 
http://gothamist.com/2015/04/07/subletters_who_suffered_scratches_i.php
 
I just have to look at that photo of them and I want to reach into the screen and wring their necks. 
 
There was a large gas explosion and subsequent inferno which brought down 3 buildings just up the road from me a couple of weeks ago. 2 poor souls were killed along with many pets, over a hundred people lost their homes and all of their possessions including an artist in his 50's who lost his entire life's work. People also lost their jobs and businesses. I was there not long after it happened when the fire was at its worst and it was a horrible, horrible scene. 
 
These two ****'s were in a building down the block. They didn't lose anything, they weren't hurt (oh sorry my bad, one of them said she got a couple of scratches on her hand, God knows how because they didn't go down into the street until well after the explosion happened) and yet they're suing for $40 million because of the "trauma." One of them, presumably under instructions from her dirtbag lawyer, is currently undergoing "therapy" at $175/hr. After going through the terrible ordeal of a couple of scratches and having to stay with friends for a few nights because their building smelled of smoke, they have decided to leave New York with all of its frightening memories behind. 
 
They are everything I hate about the current crop of Millennials currently infesting New York. Shallow, ignorant, oblivious, leeches, just the scum of the earth. 

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/08 14:50:37 (permalink)
Agreed with pretty much everything that's been said.
 
The whole idea of suing people doesn't really come as naturally to us. Back home, people turn to their government for any and everything and protest if that doesn't work. Or just put up w/ things, unless it's something really major.
 
Which is why Jury Duty is practically unheard of and we don't have people waiting in line outside the hall of justice every morning I suppose...
 
Having been through an accident however, we did have to find lawyers. But I don't think we went anywhere beyond reasonable stating our case to them. Then again, you need to be careful because the other party may be just as quick to try and settle for less. And that's what I hate... The notions of good will and good faith were at the very core of the way I was brought up. But those notion rarely seem to apply in today's world... 
 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 03:07:05 (permalink)
My body is sure letting me know now about all the abuse I put it through when I was younger! 

 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 08:25:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/04/09 09:01:03
I blame the parents...
 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 13:10:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SongCraft 2015/04/09 21:08:24
I question this thread's premise...YouTube will show you what imaginative (if stupid) people do with skateboards, bicycles and snowmobiles, causing one to question whether or not we're really evolving into a more cautious species.
 
It's true that our ancestors of 10,000 years ago would be dead already, but although increased longevity is great, you still have to survive your teens and 20's to actually benefit from it.


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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 15:27:40 (permalink)
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I question this thread's premise...YouTube will show you what imaginative (if stupid) people do with skateboards, bicycles and snowmobiles, causing one to question whether or not we're really evolving into a more cautious species.
 



That's when the old "problem taking care of itself" paradigm fails...

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 17:35:00 (permalink)
what a good thread to read over breakfast-
only downside is growing up now is such a challenge-our main rule was we had to be home before dark,blissfully unaware of "stranger danger" or traffic or time,for that matter,and we were just kids-not small adults as todays children seem to be or be treated.
I am tempted to start a competiton to see who collected the most bruises,breaks and stitches but there is always some mad kid who pushed the limits.
what`s the worst thing you did as a kid that you couldn`t do today? 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 17:54:51 (permalink)
Been involved in emergency services for over 30 years. We have a saying that about sums this up...
"Folks don't call 9-1-1 cause they did something intelligent!"

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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 18:34:19 (permalink)
Nice thread.
 
Growing old gracefully -- after all every living being on this planet has to deal with old age and frailty sooner or later.
 
I like to go for at least 30 minute walks with my wife, and share a good message and spa together I drink at least 6 cups of freshly home brewed tea and have a well balanced diet. Everything in moderation I say  
 
When you're born, you are frail and probably bald LOL -  as you enter the twilight years, you become frail and may possibly go bald.  Along with going grey, (for women, they can also lose hair).  But gravity, crikey, tis sure takes its toll, moobs and all goes jigglywiggly on those walks (though not a good look on the beach) -- Oh well, looking more like that chubby baby again eh, we go full circle.   Ah what the heck, just enjoy life while you can.
 
Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. - John Lennon.
 
 

 
 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 19:45:10 (permalink)
Of course our ancestors from 10,000 years ago are dead!  Duh.  Heck, even our ancestors from 100 years ago are mostly dead. 
 


 
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Re: When did we become so frail a species? 2015/04/09 20:12:08 (permalink)
This is Jacques Plante...

 
"The turning point came in a game at Madison Square Garden on November 1, 1959, when a powerful slap shot shattered his nose. After receiving a total of 200 stitches on his face, he decided he had paid his dues to the gods of the national sport and stubbornly held his own against coach Toe Blake, who believed a player had to "fight for his life" to play well.
 
That same night, with his face sewn from nose to lip, Plante agreed to return to the ice only if he was allowed to wear his mask, which he had worn in practices since 1955. This cream coloured mask drew a mix of criticism, admiration and wisecracks. Nevertheless, the team won by a score of 4 to 1. To keep wearing the mask [which he was supposed to give up once he was healed], Plante outdid himself by leading the team on an 11-game winning streak and eventually winning the Stanley Cup the following spring."
 
I rest my case. :P
 
 

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