When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins

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When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins

When loading a Sonar project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins despite the plug-ins being installed 
 
Anybody have a fix for this ? As there is no feature to search or browse to missing plug-ins, how is one supposed to load a project from another studios system ? Or are we expected to all use the same plug-in folder/naming conventions ? We've had this issue in the past when upgrading a system etc and are usually forced to re install plugins but have not had to deal with the issue in regards to opening a file from another studios session. 
I have been a long time Sonar user and supporter but man is it getting hard to keep that game up.
 
We submitted more than a few bug reports years ago when this cropped up and still no fix ?
 
 
 
 
 

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    noynekker
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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/01 21:27:32 (permalink)
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    When loading a Sonar project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins despite the plug-ins being installed 
     
    Anybody have a fix for this ? As there is no feature to search or browse to missing plug-ins, how is one supposed to load a project from another studios system ? Or are we expected to all use the same plug-in folder/naming conventions ? We've had this issue in the past when upgrading a system etc and are usually forced to re install plugins but have not had to deal with the issue in regards to opening a file from another studios session. 
    I have been a long time Sonar user and supporter but man is it getting hard to keep that game up.
     
    We submitted more than a few bug reports years ago when this cropped up and still no fix ?
     
     
     
     
     


    So are you saying that either you, or the other Sonar studio system has "customized" the plugin install paths, rather than going with the default install paths ?

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/01 21:37:28 (permalink)
    More data, please...are you talking about plug-ins that come with SONAR, or plug-ins from other manufacturers?

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/01 21:59:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for chiming in Craig, The plug-ins in question are 3rd party Slate Digital to be exact and are the exact same build etc in the other studios session, the session came to us via a .cwb file. And yes the plug in path has been customized as has always been our preference which to the best of our knowledge is not an issue, nor should it be. We have been using Cakewalk for well over 10 years and have experienced this in the past with 3rd party plug-ins and have remedied it by re installation if memory serves. We are not willing to do that in this instance and assumed that the bug would have been sorted by now, apparently not. This is very frustrating and is impacting our business in a very serious way.
     
    Any constructive insight is welcome 
     

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 00:10:44 (permalink)
    Is it possible one machine used VST3 and the other does not have them (but does have VST2 versions)? The only time I saw this was testing a project (created in Splat with VST3 migration on) and opening it in X2. The VST2 plugs were there but the project referenced the VST3s it could not use.

    I have since shut VST3 migration off in preferences so both versions remain exposed.

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 05:00:54 (permalink)
    The plugin paths shouldn't matter if the relevant plugins are all installed - it's their unique IDs that matter, and they should be identical. Can you verify that the plugins are showing in the Plugin Manager?

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 07:10:16 (permalink)
    related to the old 8.3 filename format maybe?

    just a sec

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 07:32:47 (permalink)
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    related to the old 8.3 filename format maybe?




    Most likely, hence why a reinstall can resolve.
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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 09:26:08 (permalink)
    I have many third-party plug-ins installed on my laptop and desktop. They have different install paths; the laptop is a to-the-letter Cakewalk installation and the desktop is highly customized, but I have not experienced this problem so can't offer any suggestions on how to solve. IIRC Slate uses iLok, yes? Could there be some kind of secondary authorization, like being keyed to a specific hard drive or machine ID? 
     
    Do Kylotan's suggestion first - make sure the plug-ins show up in the plug-in manager. But consider contacting Slate support. Perhaps they have encountered this issue before, and have a simple solution.
     
    If all else fails, maybe you could obtain the presets used for the plug-ins in particular projects, load your plug-ins to replace the identical ones in the project, then load the presets. But it really seems that shouldn't be necessary. SONAR can load projects from collaborators where you have mutually owned plug-ins. The question is what about specific plug-ins complicates that process.

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 10:27:52 (permalink)
    Kylotan
    The plugin paths shouldn't matter if the relevant plugins are all installed - it's their unique IDs that matter, and they should be identical. Can you verify that the plugins are showing in the Plugin Manager?


    Yes, we checked there first then inserted a plug  in the bin to verify, Thanks for the suggestion though 

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 10:35:41 (permalink)
    mettelus
    Is it possible one machine used VST3 and the other does not have them (but does have VST2 versions)? The only time I saw this was testing a project (created in Splat with VST3 migration on) and opening it in X2. The VST2 plugs were there but the project referenced the VST3s it could not use.

    I have since shut VST3 migration off in preferences so both versions remain exposed.

    We usually only install the 64bit vers of vst3's for all newer plug ins. We asked the other studio and they confirmed the same I will have to do some more digging it s possible they are mistaken and have vst2 installed or 32bit versions. I will report back once we get this resolved I am contacting Slate support thanks for the ideas guys 

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 12:45:47 (permalink)
    I ran into trouble on the "same" system when Waves dropped DX in favor of VST. The VST plug-ins are the same as their deprecated DX counterparts, but not recognized. I wish CW would prompt me to select (at my own risk) a replacement plug-in and then remember the mapping. As it is now, I have had to resort to exporting presets and importing them, a royal pain.
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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 13:10:08 (permalink)
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    I ran into trouble on the "same" system when Waves dropped DX in favor of VST. The VST plug-ins are the same as their deprecated DX counterparts, but not recognized. I wish CW would prompt me to select (at my own risk) a replacement plug-in and then remember the mapping. As it is now, I have had to resort to exporting presets and importing them, a royal pain.



    Agreed, There should definitely be a "browse to" or search function allowing the user to re associate the plug ins  

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 13:41:40 (permalink)
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    The VST plug-ins are the same as their deprecated DX counterparts, but not recognized.



    I'm not sure they really are the same. They're registered differently in Windows, and VST plug-ins have specific IDs that DX plug-ins don't have. If SONAR is used to recognizing a certain type of plug-in, probably the only valid way to associate with a new version would be by comparing the spelling of the plug-in's name. 

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 13:55:04 (permalink)
    Right, they are DLL's registered uniquely, I didn't mean to infer that they were identical.  But, ultimately, they are functionally the same from the user perspective of a black box that has ins, outs, and configuration parameters.  
     
    A migration path should be possible in the host. The host could even do the export of the old parameters (it has them), ask you for the new replacement plug-in, then do the import of what it exported, and if there are no errors then remember those steps for future use un-prompted where it just converts automatically.
     
    Yes, and they could do all this just to make the center of the known universe happy ... Ha ha ... ;-) 
     
     
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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 14:15:32 (permalink)
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    A migration path should be possible in the host. The host could even do the export of the old parameters (it has them), ask you for the new replacement plug-in, then do the import of what it exported, and if there are no errors then remember those steps for future use un-prompted where it just converts automatically.

     
    Yes, that would be cool. I don't think it's something that could happen automatically, though. I think you would have to invoke it on a case-by-case basis. Maybe there would be some way to build it into the plug-in manager...
     

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    Re: When loading a project from another system Sonar complains about missing plug-ins 2016/03/02 14:34:33 (permalink)
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    Right, they are DLL's registered uniquely, I didn't mean to infer that they were identical.  But, ultimately, they are functionally the same from the user perspective of a black box that has ins, outs, and configuration parameters.  
     
    A migration path should be possible in the host. The host could even do the export of the old parameters (it has them), ask you for the new replacement plug-in, then do the import of what it exported, and if there are no errors then remember those steps for future use un-prompted where it just converts automatically.
     
    Yes, and they could do all this just to make the center of the known universe happy ... Ha ha ... ;-) 
     
     


    Very similar to the functionality of Adobe products namely premiere pro. If a file associated with a project is not found it directs you to the last known directory or file location and you have the option to search for it and re associate the link I suppose the same exists currently in Sonar when a project file is missing 

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